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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 5, 2023 17:25:30 GMT
which will do nothing about the supply of so many chemicals our industries need, so many pharmaceuticals our drug dependent aged population need to continue dodging their coffin maker, and nothing about lubricating moving parts. Are you advocating we restart whaling ? We could of course reopen coal mines to obtain the chemicals. Even if we did as you indicate, OPEC will curtail production to hike prices to the kuffar. I don't think you put much thought into your solution. If you reduce demand for oil to burn as energy you create a surplus of oil for lubricating the whaling ships. 😅 😂 If you are referring to us not extracting UK oil, then I have already stated. I think we'll always need some oil. Problem is the licences allow the oil companies to sell the oil on the world market and take the profits, so the price to the man on the street will be the same as OPEC's. Could we have a brave enough government to issue licences that limit sales to the UK? ok Several points. I will take this one first. An oil company will whinge about economics of scale but none will refuse a deal that cuts them a profit. If any existing ones walk away seize their equipment in the national interest. So a government stupid enough to implement zero oil export could arrange uk only production, they may have to create a UK Oil Co Ltd. As none will be for car fuels they wont care will they |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 5, 2023 17:40:32 GMT
Petrol is now up to about £1.61 a litre here. It hasn't been this high since November last year. It's a good thing it is not priced in gallons or it would be £7.32 a gallon. I can remember it at about 4s 6d, it was a scandal when it it hit 50p (ten bob in October 1973) In comparative terms, it is probably cheaper now than in the crisis in 1973. Petrol went up to 5s 6d in 1956. The equivalent of £20 a gallon in today's money. My father complained that it cost him a week's wages to fill the car. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 5, 2023 18:09:36 GMT
I don't think you put much thought into your solution. If you reduce demand for oil to burn as energy you create a surplus of oil for lubricating the whaling ships. 😅 😂 If you are referring to us not extracting UK oil, then I have already stated. I think we'll always need some oil. Problem is the licences allow the oil companies to sell the oil on the world market and take the profits, so the price to the man on the street will be the same as OPEC's. Could we have a brave enough government to issue licences that limit sales to the UK? ok Several points. I will take this one first. An oil company will whinge about economics of scale but none will refuse a deal that cuts them a profit. If any existing ones walk away seize their equipment in the national interest. So a government stupid enough to implement zero oil export could arrange uk only production, they may have to create a UK Oil Co Ltd. As none will be for car fuels they wont care will they Sorry John, I've no idea what you mean here. Stupid enough? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 5, 2023 18:14:43 GMT
Petrol is now up to about £1.61 a litre here. It hasn't been this high since November last year. It's a good thing it is not priced in gallons or it would be £7.32 a gallon. I can remember it at about 4s 6d, it was a scandal when it it hit 50p (ten bob in October 1973) In comparative terms, it is probably cheaper now than in the crisis in 1973. Petrol went up to 5s 6d in 1956. The equivalent of £20 a gallon in today's money. My father complained that it cost him a week's wages to fill the car. Can't find anything on that. In 1957 Petrol was per gallon 5s 1d =£4.60 today. www.retrowow.co.uk/social_history/50s/cost_1957.php |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 5, 2023 18:33:43 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Oct 5, 2023 18:47:19 GMT
Ah yes thanks, never thought of that. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 5, 2023 18:52:13 GMT
Over £6k for a TV.
£4,500 for a fridge.
We've never had it so good.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 5, 2023 18:54:55 GMT
ok Several points. I will take this one first. An oil company will whinge about economics of scale but none will refuse a deal that cuts them a profit. If any existing ones walk away seize their equipment in the national interest. So a government stupid enough to implement zero oil export could arrange uk only production, they may have to create a UK Oil Co Ltd. As none will be for car fuels they wont care will they Sorry John, I've no idea what you mean here. Stupid enough? my favourite line from Star Trek is where Worf says to a rabid bunch of old style klingons ‘Then Die In Ignorance, I can waste no more time on you’ |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 5, 2023 18:56:38 GMT
 That's a nice looking radio but £1,200? |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 5, 2023 19:52:47 GMT
Sorry John, I've no idea what you mean here. Stupid enough? my favourite line from Star Trek is where Worf says to a rabid bunch of old style klingons ‘Then Die In Ignorance, I can waste no more time on you’ Your choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2023 20:19:58 GMT
Sorry John, I've no idea what you mean here. Stupid enough? my favourite line from Star Trek is where Worf says to a rabid bunch of old style klingons ‘Then Die In Ignorance, I can waste no more time on you’ Wise words from a wise character. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 5, 2023 22:20:04 GMT
That's a nice looking radio but £1,200? To add some reality my mother told me in the days when my father worked for the GPO as a telephone engineer he brought home five pounds a week. Now here is the thing. Her next sentence was that an amount of that went straight to buying a sack of coal. I cannot now honestly remember if that amount was five shillings or ten shillings. I note the value of such a sack at the time of my birth in 1957 is claimed as half way between the two 🙈🙈 Picking exactly when she meant is hard for me. Dad was doing his national service and was demobbed and returned to the UK at the start of 1957 and i arrived nine months later. He went to the Atomic Energy Authority but having to release radioactive shite to the atmosphere to avoid the October 57 Calder Hall fire becoming the UK Chernobyl with me barely weeks old made him choose another career. Maybe Welsh Coal merchants ripped people off  ten per cent of your income on fuel THEN as opposed to today seems a lot. But these were not the rantings of the dementia ridden 89 year old we cremated. She said that to the late teenage me in the late 70’s when she was in her late 40’s. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 5, 2023 23:32:25 GMT
Petrol is now up to about £1.61 a litre here. It hasn't been this high since November last year. It's a good thing it is not priced in gallons or it would be £7.32 a gallon. I can remember it at about 4s 6d, it was a scandal when it it hit 50p (ten bob in October 1973) In comparative terms, it is probably cheaper now than in the crisis in 1973. Petrol went up to 5s 6d in 1956. The equivalent of £20 a gallon in today's money. My father complained that it cost him a week's wages to fill the car. But that never went for years tho did it? That was during the Suez crisis they also rationed petrol. |
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Post by zanygame on Oct 6, 2023 6:30:04 GMT
Petrol went up to 5s 6d in 1956. The equivalent of £20 a gallon in today's money. My father complained that it cost him a week's wages to fill the car. But that never went for years tho did it? That was during the Suez crisis they also rationed petrol. Are yes of course. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 21:07:32 GMT
Yes - the double the hit on our wallets.. Short term pain, long term gain. For those of us who can barely afford the commute to work alreadt, your "short term pain" is our being priced out of our jobs. |
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