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Post by sheepy on Sept 29, 2023 15:14:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 17:07:09 GMT
Northern Ireland is still (sort of) in the EU.
However, how petty is this? Thanks for the N.I. protocol Boris. You got Brexit done.
Theresa May (no deal is better than a bad deal) already knows.
Of course, Rish magically fixed it all with his "Windsor Framework" and Charles III entered UK/EU politics.
Well, sort of.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 29, 2023 17:45:26 GMT
Northern Ireland is still (sort of) in the EU. However, how petty is this? Thanks for the N.I. protocol Boris. You got Brexit done. Theresa May (no deal is better than a bad deal) already knows. Of course, Rish magically fixed it all with his "Windsor Framework" and Charles III entered UK/EU politics. Well, sort of.Meanwhile the EU are having a meeting on migrants, followed with Sunak saying immigration is one of the four most important points. jeez. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 29, 2023 17:47:10 GMT
Not to worry though eh.
Look on the bright side, €28M isn't even 10% of the £350M Brexit bonus the NHS is getting every week now we've cast off the colonial yoke of the oppressive un-elected dictatorship in Brussels.
We're already way in front, right?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 18:28:52 GMT
Not to worry though eh. Look on the bright side, €28M isn't even 10% of the £350M Brexit bonus the NHS is getting every week now we've cast off the colonial yoke of the oppressive un-elected dictatorship in Brussels. We're already way in front, right? Way to miss the point, Dan. The red diesel issue - it's about fairness and proportionality. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 29, 2023 19:58:53 GMT
Not to worry though eh. Look on the bright side, €28M isn't even 10% of the £350M Brexit bonus the NHS is getting every week now we've cast off the colonial yoke of the oppressive un-elected dictatorship in Brussels. We're already way in front, right? Thanks to pro EU politicians who have a loathing of democracy, the EU yoke is firmly gripped around Northern Ireland. And until our politicians grow a pair, nothing will change. |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 29, 2023 20:50:21 GMT
Not to worry though eh. Look on the bright side, €28M isn't even 10% of the £350M Brexit bonus the NHS is getting every week now we've cast off the colonial yoke of the oppressive un-elected dictatorship in Brussels. We're already way in front, right? Thanks to pro EU politicians who have a loathing of democracy, the EU yoke is firmly gripped around Northern Ireland. And until our politicians grow a pair, nothing will change. Last I heard, 56% of the NI population was happy with the protocol. What were you saying about democracy, Red? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 29, 2023 21:09:06 GMT
Thanks to pro EU politicians who have a loathing of democracy, the EU yoke is firmly gripped around Northern Ireland. And until our politicians grow a pair, nothing will change. Last I heard, 56% of the NI population was happy with the protocol. What were you saying about democracy, Red? I suppose that depends whether you're a Unionist or a Republican, but the fact remains, the UK voted to leave the EU, yet the EU are desperate to hang onto Northern Ireland which is a part of the UK. What were you saying about democracy, Einy? |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 29, 2023 22:01:29 GMT
Last I heard, 56% of the NI population was happy with the protocol. What were you saying about democracy, Red? I suppose that depends whether you're a Unionist or a Republican, but the fact remains, the UK voted to leave the EU, yet the EU are desperate to hang onto Northern Ireland which is a part of the UK. What were you saying about democracy, Einy? But the majority of people in NI want the current situation. Don't you think it's slightly undemocratic to say they shouldn't have it? And what does it matter whether they're unionists or republicans? A majority is a majority. 62% |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 29, 2023 22:06:58 GMT
I suppose that depends whether you're a Unionist or a Republican, but the fact remains, the UK voted to leave the EU, yet the EU are desperate to hang onto Northern Ireland which is a part of the UK. What were you saying about democracy, Einy? But the majority of people in NI want the current situation. Don't you think it's slightly undemocratic to say they shouldn't have it? And what does it matter whether they're unionists or republicans? A majority is a majority. 62% For some years more than half of the French electorate have wanted a referendum on EU membership, don't you think it's slightly undemocratic to say they shouldn't have it? |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 29, 2023 22:27:13 GMT
But the majority of people in NI want the current situation. Don't you think it's slightly undemocratic to say they shouldn't have it? And what does it matter whether they're unionists or republicans? A majority is a majority. 62% For some years more than half of the French electorate have wanted a referendum on EU membership, don't you think it's slightly undemocratic to say they shouldn't have it? How do you know that? From polls? If you're using polls, you'll be in favour of another UK referendum, what with more than 90 consecutive polls showing a majority in favour of rejoin. You are in favour of another referendum, aren't you, Red? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 29, 2023 22:44:47 GMT
For some years more than half of the French electorate have wanted a referendum on EU membership, don't you think it's slightly undemocratic to say they shouldn't have it? How do you know that? From polls? If you're using polls, you'll be in favour of another UK referendum, what with more than 90 consecutive polls showing a majority in favour of rejoin. You are in favour of another referendum, aren't you, Red? Don't be stupid. Like the UK the French were never asked if they wanted to be an EU state, in fact no electorates were asked if they wanted to become an EU state and the only time the EU comment on referendums is to rubbish them and insist they are not necessary, or on four occasions to demand a second referendum when things didn't go as planned. The EU survives in spite of democracy not because of it. It has has done more damage to Europe than the Nazis and is a shining example of politburo faux democracy. |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 29, 2023 22:46:35 GMT
How do you know that? From polls? If you're using polls, you'll be in favour of another UK referendum, what with more than 90 consecutive polls showing a majority in favour of rejoin. You are in favour of another referendum, aren't you, Red? Don't be stupid. Like the UK the French were never asked if they wanted to be an EU state, in fact no electorates were asked if they wanted to become an EU state and the only time the EU comment on referendums is to rubbish them and insist they are not necessary, or on four occasions to demand a second referendum when things didn't go as planned. The EU survives in spite of democracy not because of it. It has has done more damage to Europe than the Nazis and is a shining example of politburo faux democracy. What is the basis for your claim that the French don't want to be in the EU? Is it a poll? And if the French are entitled to a referendum on the basis of a single poll, you will undoubtedly agree that the UK is entitled to one on the basis of 90 consecutive polls. Right? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 29, 2023 23:09:22 GMT
Don't be stupid. Like the UK the French were never asked if they wanted to be an EU state, in fact no electorates were asked if they wanted to become an EU state and the only time the EU comment on referendums is to rubbish them and insist they are not necessary, or on four occasions to demand a second referendum when things didn't go as planned. The EU survives in spite of democracy not because of it. It has has done more damage to Europe than the Nazis and is a shining example of politburo faux democracy. What is the basis for your claim that the French don't want to be in the EU? Is it a poll? And if the French are entitled to a referendum on the basis of a single poll, you will undoubtedly agree that the UK is entitled to one on the basis of 90 consecutive polls. Right? Yes, polls that go back years. But it's not just polls, my son is married to a French girl and lives in France. They used to live in Lyon where my son tells me people were openly angry with Macron and the EU. My son and his wife now live further south, he tells me the feeling towards Macron and the EU is if anything, even more hostile. My sons wife told me that Macron is unpopular because of the EU and immigration. It doesn't matter which way you cut it, the EU don't like referendums because they're not interested what the majority think. Which is why the EU is doomed to fail. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 29, 2023 23:09:48 GMT
Isn't for between 2018 and 2021 while the UK was in the EU and supposedly adhering to its rules?
If it's the money you're objecting to, surely it's only oner tenth if what the bus said we are supposed to be saving each week now we're out...
Ooops! Apologies, I hadn't read DD's contribution when I posted this...
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