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Post by Orac on Sept 27, 2023 10:33:18 GMT
Not sure what you are driving at here. Do you feel that , if i can't provide you with a list of those verified as responsible, then agriculture isn't being closed down and cash isn't being gradually abolished? More or less, yes. Agriculture of various sorts may be closing down in various places, just as it is expanding elsewhere. Cash is a separate discussion, but if you are claiming there is a covert operation in place to do either or both then something more than mere supposition is necessary. I've had this same argument many times with monocausalists who claimed that immigration into the UK was a Jewish plot but were unable to provide any names, dates or places to support their theory.
It is my judgment that such a plot exists. The motive is there and there are distinct and ever growing signs of its implementation. It's no coincidence that a snake knows where your jugular is and another snake will go for the same. The problem with your method is that you would conclude a burglary isn't taking place, despite all the evidence it is, because you don't yet know the name of the burglar. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 27, 2023 10:49:36 GMT
It would be foolish to deny a burglary is in progress as it would be equally foolish to claim there is a plot to burgle every house in the street without any evidence for it.
To focus on the Netherlands and its farming crisis for the moment, there is little doubt that the country has too much livestock: 11 million pigs compared to 5 million in the the UK and 4 million cattle compared to 9 million.
The UK has almost six times the land area. The effect of this degree of industrial animal production in the Netherlands is very obvious in terms of pollution and environmental degradation and many people agree that farmers ought to be encouraged to move to more sustainable production.
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Post by Orac on Sept 27, 2023 11:02:40 GMT
It would be foolish to deny a burglary is in progress as it would be equally foolish to claim there is a plot to burgle every house in the street without any evidence for it. To focus on the Netherlands and its farming crisis for the moment, there is little doubt that the country has too much livestock: 11 million pigs compared to 5 million in the the UK and 4 million cattle compared to 9 million. The UK has almost six times the land area. The effect of this degree of industrial animal production in the Netherlands is very obvious in terms of pollution and environmental degradation and many people agree that farmers ought to be encouraged to move to more sustainable production. That could have been used as an official statement and it does reflect the official position. It's unfortunate, but we do have to close down large amounts of independent food production, despite it being economically viableWhat would you say are the guiding motives behind the policy of mass immigration into the west? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 27, 2023 11:19:55 GMT
That's a very large topic and we have to go back to the 19th century to discover the original motives. More later.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 27, 2023 16:28:41 GMT
More or less, yes. Agriculture of various sorts may be closing down in various places, just as it is expanding elsewhere. Cash is a separate discussion, but if you are claiming there is a covert operation in place to do either or both then something more than mere supposition is necessary. I've had this same argument many times with monocausalists who claimed that immigration into the UK was a Jewish plot but were unable to provide any names, dates or places to support their theory.
It is my judgment that such a plot exists. The motive is there and there are distinct and ever growing signs of its implementation. It's no coincidence that a snake knows where your jugular is and another snake will go for the same. The problem with your method is that you would conclude a burglary isn't taking place, despite all the evidence it is, because you don't yet know the name of the burglar. In answer to your previous question, because they can, welcome to Dystopia. |
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Post by see2 on Sept 27, 2023 16:39:18 GMT
from your thread name, I would suggest that there has always been a an influence on democracy down to financial influence. It just makes sense.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 27, 2023 16:46:19 GMT
So back to the question of guiding motives behind the policy of mass immigration into the west.
I'm going to assume that immigration into the west does not include large-scale population movements within the west, such as those involving people from Northwest and Northern Europe who settled the 'new' territories in North America, Australasia and Southern Africa. That being the case, I'd suggest that these population movements were not immigration as we would consider it today, but rather settlement. By the same token, the 'guiding motive' if such existed was one of nation-building.
Mass immigration came later and resulted from very different guiding motives.
Are we in agreement so far?
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