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Post by Vinny on Sept 25, 2023 15:39:03 GMT
All terms in government they've had, good bits bad bits ugly bits.
Same idea as the previous thread.
Do not post good without bad or bad without good.
This is for debate not muck raking.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 25, 2023 20:15:35 GMT
Wouldn't the Labour board be the place for this Vin? Just a thought.  |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 25, 2023 22:42:03 GMT
Political history going back over a century, analysing not just the modern party of weird "women can have penises" absolute bollocks they've become, but the party which the unions created to begin with, who created the NHS, the Open University and actually did some good. But at the same time, even in the "golden era" made some absolute blunders including helping Stalin, and mismanaging the end of Empire in India so spectacularly that millions died.
I thought two threads side by side with good and bad bits would be interesting.
Happy for the mods to move the threads if they don't agree.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 26, 2023 6:53:34 GMT
I agree with Open University and the creation of the UK nuclear deterrent and to some extent the expansion of the welfare state were all good measures.
However the negatives were quite large - the nationalisation program, the NHS, excessive trade union power, culture wars and (as previously said) the fleeing from Empire.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 26, 2023 10:15:47 GMT
The negatives were enormous.
Jet engines to Stalin, millions dead in the end of Empire and partition of India, nationalisation of road freight in particular was a huge mistake, (remedied by Winston Churchill in 1951), mismanagement of the NHS and the introduction of Equality and Diversity con artists.
Mismanagement of British Rail.
Locomotives were redesigned due to pressure from the unions.
Free IVF treatments for Lesbians.
Free fertility treatments for anyone is absurd, we're overpopulated.
Gender reassignment surgeries free on the NHS.
And a lot of negatives weren't done away with.
There were some positives back in the day.
They kept us out of the Vietnam war.
Back in the 1970's though they were too close to the unions.
They also don't know how to continually run a budget surplus.
They're too pro EU and did not give us votes on treaty changes.
If they had given us votes on treaty changes, who knows, maybe we'd still be members?
If Labour had continually run a budget surplus since 1997, again that would have stood in their favour instead of against them.
And if they hadn't been so heavy handed on civil liberties, ID cards, 28 day detention, spy laws, anti protest laws etc that wouldn't have counted against them either.
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