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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 14:55:15 GMT
As is typical and expected of supporters and apologists, you are arguing for the Brexit ideology and its own ideals. That is fair enough. I argue for a pragmatic approach in order to achieve prosperity. Since you asked however indirectly -- what I want is prosperity and more prosperity. I figure you can really complain about having to give up an infinitesimal amount of political control and freedom only if you're prosperous. Only if you can afford to complain. So, what I want is an uber prosperous UK with a stable centrist and non-populist government that commands respect and attention among other things. Do I think we can achieve that by leaving the EU? No. It sounds like prostitution. If it sounds that way to you it's probably because you subscribe to the argument that we are all prostitutes. Selling different parts of ourselves -- talent, brains, body, skill. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 15:08:27 GMT
I take it you're saying everything went downhill from the time it was decided that we would join the EU (i.e., from the EEC to the EU.) -- to which I disagree. No, I am saying it was all promises and lies as usual. The EU didn't live up to anything it said it was and never will. As a trading block it was fine as an expanding empire controlled from Brussels it was a terrible thing. Which as it happens you point out daily without even noticing what you are doing. The EU didn't live up to anything it said it was -- like what? |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 4, 2022 16:18:19 GMT
I wish the bosses of this site hadn't included an EU section.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 16:59:07 GMT
I wish the bosses of this site hadn't included an EU section. Why? You don't want anyone talking about Brexit and the EU -- that's a bit tyrannical, don't you think? |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 4, 2022 17:29:42 GMT
I wish the bosses of this site hadn't included an EU section. It's all they have wash rinse repeat, if it didn't work last time around it won't the next time either, but it keeps them amused. If only lol. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 4, 2022 17:36:35 GMT
I wish the bosses of this site hadn't included an EU section. It's all they have wash rinse repeat, if it didn't work last time around it won't the next time either, but it keeps them amused. If only lol. Ovium means sheep and simpleton in Latin. Not suggesting anything. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 4, 2022 17:39:14 GMT
I wish the bosses of this site hadn't included an EU section. But Brexit has become very topical again, Sal. There was a time not so long ago when the BBC was afraid of the word. It's all over the place now. Exciting times. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 4, 2022 17:39:36 GMT
It's all they have wash rinse repeat, if it didn't work last time around it won't the next time either, but it keeps them amused. If only lol. Ovium means sheep and simpleton in Latin. Not suggesting anything. I have been a populist for many years you can be assured I have heard every juvenile insult going. It just shows your IQ is the same size as one's age. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 4, 2022 17:41:18 GMT
Ovium means sheep and simpleton in Latin. Not suggesting anything. I have been a populist for many years you can be assured I have heard every juvenile insult going. It just shows your IQ is the same size as one's age. Couldn't resist it, Sheepy. I'm sure you're as bright as it's possible for a populist to be. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 4, 2022 17:50:15 GMT
I have been a populist for many years you can be assured I have heard every juvenile insult going. It just shows your IQ is the same size as one's age. Couldn't resist it, Sheepy. I'm sure you're as a bright as it's possible for a populist to be. Well, most likely if you say so, a bit like save the economy or save Brexit could only be thought by a complete Europhile living in the past. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 4, 2022 17:51:34 GMT
Couldn't resist it, Sheepy. I'm sure you're as a bright as it's possible for a populist to be. Well, most likely if you say so, a bit like save the economy or save Brexit could only be thought by a complete Europhile living in the past. As I said, Brexit is very topical again. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 4, 2022 18:01:29 GMT
all of which the EU are currently suffering from - so how would joining the EU improve things? Brexit is causing trade loss, higher prices and labour shortages. Joining the EU will eliminate this cause. Join the EU and you'd see an increase in trade; lower prices; reduced labour shortages. Join the EU and you'd see SMEs that had to set up operations in the EU to circumvent Brexit come back to the UK -- higher taxes, more jobs for the locals. "Higher taxes" should read higher tax revenues. So if we were in the EU we would be the one country in the EU not having an economic crisis? - you are not convincing me..  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 18:25:52 GMT
Brexit is causing trade loss, higher prices and labour shortages. Joining the EU will eliminate this cause. Join the EU and you'd see an increase in trade; lower prices; reduced labour shortages. Join the EU and you'd see SMEs that had to set up operations in the EU to circumvent Brexit come back to the UK -- higher taxes, more jobs for the locals. "Higher taxes" should read higher tax revenues. So if we were in the EU we would be the one country in the EU not having an economic crisis? - you are not convincing me.. No. And it shouldn't even occur to you to ask that -- even rhetorically. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 4, 2022 18:33:49 GMT
Just to bring back a bit of reality onto this thread - Octobers PMI in the #euro area fell to 47.3. Individual countries compared to UK..  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 8:42:41 GMT
From the Commons Library:
Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q2 2022 was 0.2% lower (this figure was recently revised lower). This compares with Eurozone GDP being 1.9% higher than its pre-pandemic level, while US GDP was 3.5% higher.
G7 real GDP % change compared to pre-pandemic level
Q2 2022 compared with Q4 2019 updated 2 Nov
3.5 1.9 1.7 1.3 0.9 0.6 -0.1 -0.2
US Eurozone Canada Italy France Japan Germany UK
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