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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 14:48:34 GMT
Scotland would not have been in the EU and wouldn't have qualified for entry.
Again, it wasn't. Scotland has the best of both worlds in the UK. The UK thoroughly respected the wishes of Scotland to hold a referendum on remaining in the UK, which is something that hasn't been awarded elsewhere, except in NI. The UK also supported devolution and gave you a national parliament, paid for mostly by the English. Something that hasn't been awarded elsewhere. The British referendum on EU membership was as democratic as British democracy gets, and it's good that a tiny minority didn't override it using fantasy nonsense to try and redesign British referendum democracy.
I'll just dismiss the accusation that the majority of English people are xenophobic as extremist bullshit.
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Post by morayloon on Nov 4, 2022 22:25:28 GMT
As the position of Scotland vis a vis the EU was not brought forward during the campaign, we'll never know the outcome. Certainly, if the EU regarded Scotland as a successor state we would have been in. Would not have qualified? Scotland is part of the UK which met the criteria. As such Scotland also would have been accepted
Are you actually saying that Scotland did not vote 62%-38% to Remain. If you are, you are sadly deluded Not at all. What is best for Scotland is to become Independent. The SNP wanted the referendum because of the 2011 election result. Cameron agreed but only because he thought it would be a cake walk for the Unionist. He was shitting himself as the campaign progressed and the gap diminished. Scottish democracy could not be denied. Almost 75% voted for a Scottish Parliament. The UK Government could not deny Scottish democracy, could it? Oh! I forgot it has happened many times, not least the utter disregard of the Scottish view on Brexit. What planet are you on? Holyrood is paid for by the Scottish taxpayers. More goes to the exchequer than is returned ? So, might is right? Because England has the numbers it can ride roughshod over Scottish and NIrish democratic choices? But there you go again, describing the Scottish result as 'fantasy'. The failure to take account of the views of the majority in Scotland (and NI) will be played out at Indyref2.
Much of the talk during the campaign centred on immigration. Those already in the country were demonised and in the end were not allowed to stay. The short sighted actions of the Brexiteers have resulted in a dramatic loss of workers in the NHS etc. The way you reacted to those seeking asylum from ME countries was at odds with the open arms stance taken with Ukrainian refugees. Colour of skin perhaps?
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Post by jaydee on Nov 5, 2022 0:14:48 GMT
Why would it? Please elaborate. We were dragged out of the EU despite 62% of us voting Remain. I thought it was obvious, Scotland wasn't an EU member and would not have automatically inherited membership if they left the member state.
The UK voted to join the EEC and the UK voted to leave the EU. Nobody was dragged out, it's called British democracy which was the very thing Scotland voted to be a part of.
That's correct. Scotland is not a EU member. Neither is England. And Scotland did not vote to be part of the UK. The parcel o rogues did. Just like England was bought and sold by Russian gangster gold. Scotland was bought by English gold. Nothing to do with democracy. As Scotland can now no longer afford bankrupt England. The UK or Britain is not a country. It is a sovereign state consisting of four countries. Of which the King is the King of England and head of state in Scotland. Or at least the late Queen was. www.robertburns.org/works/344.shtml
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2022 1:25:09 GMT
I stand by my previous post and see nothing worth responding to.
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Post by morayloon on Nov 5, 2022 2:46:14 GMT
I stand by my previous post and see nothing worth responding to. You mean that you cannot respond so are ducking out of the conversation.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 5, 2022 16:39:46 GMT
Scotland would not have been in the EU and wouldn't have qualified for entry.
Again, it wasn't. Scotland has the best of both worlds in the UK. The UK thoroughly respected the wishes of Scotland to hold a referendum on remaining in the UK, which is something that hasn't been awarded elsewhere, except in NI. The UK also supported devolution and gave you a national parliament, paid for mostly by the English. Something that hasn't been awarded elsewhere. The British referendum on EU membership was as democratic as British democracy gets, and it's good that a tiny minority didn't override it using fantasy nonsense to try and redesign British referendum democracy.
I'll just dismiss the accusation that the majority of English people are xenophobic as extremist bullshit.
Well said. The 2016 referendum was on whether the UK should remain in the EU or leave the EU, not Scotland. The UK has left the EU in accordance with national UK democracy, not regional. It wasn't an electoral college vote. Everyone irrespective of their postcode was 100 percent equal, one man one vote.
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 5, 2022 20:48:04 GMT
Im not sure everyone was equal in the referendum for one EU migrants couldn't make a choice of there own future.
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Post by jaydee on Nov 14, 2022 13:33:19 GMT
Scotland would not have been in the EU and wouldn't have qualified for entry.
Again, it wasn't. Scotland has the best of both worlds in the UK. The UK thoroughly respected the wishes of Scotland to hold a referendum on remaining in the UK, which is something that hasn't been awarded elsewhere, except in NI. The UK also supported devolution and gave you a national parliament, paid for mostly by the English. Something that hasn't been awarded elsewhere. The British referendum on EU membership was as democratic as British democracy gets, and it's good that a tiny minority didn't override it using fantasy nonsense to try and redesign British referendum democracy.
I'll just dismiss the accusation that the majority of English people are xenophobic as extremist bullshit.
Could you explain how Scotland has the best of both worlds in the UK. And could you give me one economic reason why it would benefit energy rich Scotland to remain part of the UK, with bankrupt England. . One will do. In the case of devolution. It does not cost the English tax payer one penny. Or ever has. Since it took power the SNP who work on a fixed budget of their own has underspent every year. And there is no such thing as country of Britain. The UK is a sovereign state consisting of 4 countries. Held together by the act of the Union. The King being the King of England and i think since the death of his mother. The head of state in Scotland. And Scotland voted to remain in the UK. You afre correct the Scots had a referendum. But the material change in circumstances is so vast. It requires a settlement.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 14:38:47 GMT
I'm sorry you don't understand the difference between England and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or the monarchy of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If this were an American forum it could be forgiven.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 15:54:26 GMT
Scotland would not have been in the EU and wouldn't have qualified for entry.
Again, it wasn't. Scotland has the best of both worlds in the UK. The UK thoroughly respected the wishes of Scotland to hold a referendum on remaining in the UK, which is something that hasn't been awarded elsewhere, except in NI. The UK also supported devolution and gave you a national parliament, paid for mostly by the English. Something that hasn't been awarded elsewhere. The British referendum on EU membership was as democratic as British democracy gets, and it's good that a tiny minority didn't override it using fantasy nonsense to try and redesign British referendum democracy.
I'll just dismiss the accusation that the majority of English people are xenophobic as extremist bullshit.
Well said. The 2016 referendum was on whether the UK should remain in the EU or leave the EU, not Scotland. The UK has left the EU in accordance with national UK democracy, not regional. It wasn't an electoral college vote. Everyone irrespective of their postcode was 100 percent equal, one man one vote. They're a dangerous bunch:
Nicola Sturgeon's plan for rape cases compared to Nazis' jury trial ban
They claim it's to clear a backlog. Why not just execute the accused without trial?
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Post by jaydee on Nov 14, 2022 18:47:48 GMT
I'm sorry you don't understand the difference between England and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or the monarchy of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If this were an American forum it could be forgiven. No you do not understand the difference between any of the nonsense you waffled. England voted to leave the EU. Scotland did not. In terms of the monarchy. Let me repeat. King Charles is the King of England. He is the head of state in Scotland. Scotland does not have a King. There is no such country as the United Kingdom or Britain. There is no such thing as a British Court, law, Judge, Police Officer or Prison Officer
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Post by Vinny on Nov 14, 2022 19:07:39 GMT
Well said. The 2016 referendum was on whether the UK should remain in the EU or leave the EU, not Scotland. The UK has left the EU in accordance with national UK democracy, not regional. It wasn't an electoral college vote. Everyone irrespective of their postcode was 100 percent equal, one man one vote. They're a dangerous bunch:
Nicola Sturgeon's plan for rape cases compared to Nazis' jury trial ban
They claim it's to clear a backlog. Why not just execute the accused without trial? Fucking hell, that's bad. Trial by jury is a basic human right. www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/human-rights-act/article-6-right-fair-trial
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Post by jaydee on Nov 14, 2022 19:37:14 GMT
They're a dangerous bunch:
Nicola Sturgeon's plan for rape cases compared to Nazis' jury trial ban
They claim it's to clear a backlog. Why not just execute the accused without trial In terms of your garbage about judge only courts. In Scotland a accused does not have the right to trial by jury on summary . That is a matter for the Procurator Fiscal. The extent of the crime and the court in which it is heard. Unlike stupid England. Where 50 people see a clown break a window and he demands a trial by Jury. The majority of cases are dealt with in the country’s Sheriff Courts unless they are of sufficient seriousness to go to the Supreme Courts at first instance. It holds supremacy on murder, rape, and so on. That will not change. Less than that, can be heard before a sheriff on Summary. The power of punishment is limited. Or before a Sheriff and Jury. Power of punishment is increased. But for unlimited punishment it goes before a Judge of the High court known as the Senators of the College of Justice. As explained.. And for your information Scottish courts have the highest requirement of proof to prove a conviction in the world. Unlike PC plod in England who said it was him me Lord and that is it. And indeed the claim is the back log. Where in bankrupt England on Crown Court alone that is 61,000 as I type. Or to put it another way at one a day. Including weekends. Will take 167 years to clear. The does not include the ones now happening. Many will never come to trial. As it stands in Scotland the back log at the Sheriff and Sheriff and Jury level is not expected to be cleared until March 2026. And the garbage you are spewing about Nazis is looking at a way to bring despicable criminals to justice, at a higher court before time runs out. Or to put it another way. In short, in England.. . They will never be brought to justice. . In Scotland. Who you rant are Nazis, If an accused is remanded in custody after the first appearance on petition, then they cannot be detained for more than 80 days without an indictment being served on them. So before you rant the Scottish Justiciary, its Sheriff's and Judges are Nazis. Find out how it works in the first place. Then look at your own Nazis. If you are English. Lets start with Enoch Braverman as she wets her knicker at the though of kids being deported like cattle to Rwandi. After they criminally invaded England.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 14, 2022 20:08:44 GMT
Im not sure everyone was equal in the referendum for one EU migrants couldn't make a choice of there own future. Their future wasn't affected they weren't stripped of their rights to live and work here. That continued. They weren't British citizens and this isn't their country. They didn't vote in British elections. Why should they have voted in an entirely British referendum that didn't affect them. We gave them settled status and the same rights they had before in our country. Relax.
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