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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 13:46:57 GMT
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 13:49:17 GMT
i see you decided to ignore my thread about scots social attitudes showing the mountain you have to climb.
– Three-quarters (75%) of people in Scotland thought the Scottish Government ought to have the most influence over the way Scotland is run, compared with 14% who thought the UK Government should
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 14:15:18 GMT
That's an opinion poll based on leading questions.
This is a political party whose intention is to grow, big difference.
Mountain or not, they are attempting to climb it.
Who knows, maybe they will one day succeed.
It took UKIP 20 years but the UK voted to leave the EU.
It may take these guys 20 years, but if Scotland one day gets to vote on whether or not to abolish Holyrood, that would be a good thing whether it scraps it or keeps it.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 14:18:36 GMT
That's an opinion poll based on leading questions. This is a political party whose intention is to grow, big difference. Mountain or not, they are attempting to climb it. Who knows, maybe they will one day succeed. It took UKIP 20 years but the UK voted to leave the EU. It may take these guys 20 years, but if Scotland one day gets to vote on whether or not to abolish Holyrood, that would be a good thing whether it scraps it or keeps it. Vinny opinion has been consistent for decades mate . The majority of scots self id nationally as scottish , and support a scottish parliament.
Wether or not you want to abolish holyrood against the majority or not , you have to accept that where you start.
the question is , can you maintain your failing union long enough to abolish something you dont like?
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 14:24:27 GMT
And changing opinions may take a couple of decades, but I'm glad they exist to try.
Ultimately when Sturgeon's turgid shambles get kicked out, a new era of unionism will start to flourish and the Abolish the Scottish Parliament Party will start to get noticed win seats and pave the way for a referendum.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 14:26:45 GMT
And changing opinions may take a couple of decades, but I'm glad they exist to try. Ultimately when Sturgeon's turgid shambles get kicked out, a new era of unionism will start to flourish and the Abolish the Scottish Parliament Party will start to get noticed win seats and pave the way for a referendum. ah ok vinny.
I have come across a number of political crystal ball gazers on political forums , and rarely do their predictions come true.
We are wll sitting watching the slow motion car crash that is the end days of a long gone empire , and wishfull thinking isnt going to save it from the deep problems that afflict it.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 14:48:16 GMT
Scotland already voted to stay British.
That question is settled.
If the SNP carry on, they may find devolution ends instead.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 17:16:10 GMT
Scotland already voted to stay British. That question is settled. If the SNP carry on, they may find devolution ends instead. The question isnt settled.
1. The british government supports in law northern ireland re visiting the constitutional question every 7 years , so whats good for one part of the uk is good for the rest.
2. Scotland voted to remain in the uk that was part of the eu. Indeed it was a key plank of the no campaign.
The scottish people must and will have another say to see if they want brexit uk or indy and eu/efta membership.
You dont know what you are talking about.
Home rule was a key demand of the scottish people going back a century. Labour finally offered up devolution as a sticking plaster , which the scottish people supported and the snp were initially opposed to.
Threatening devolution isnt threatening the snp , it a threat against the 75 % of scots people who support our own parliament , many of them non snp voters.
Do keep up vinny.
You constantly go on about "britain" but dont appear to have a clue about the nations within it .Or more probably selective amnesia . When scotland gains it s independence , its people like you we will have to thank..........
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 17:20:28 GMT
It is settled, you had a vote knowing full well that the UK Independence Party had won the EU elections of 2014 and an EU membership referendum was inevitable.
2 million voters in Scotland voted for the union, 1.6 million voted to break away, the separatists aren't even getting close to the 1.6m vote nevermind the mountain of 2 million.
It is settled.
The Union is here to stay.
Get used to it before devolution gets scrapped.
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Post by thomas on Nov 3, 2022 17:57:46 GMT
It is settled, you had a vote knowing full well that the UK Independence Party had won the EU elections of 2014 and an EU membership referendum was inevitable. Rubbish . The two events dont equate as the brexit referndum was the gift of the governing party of the day to give , so cameron offered it up as his price to win the 2015 GE , not UKIP.
Had labour won , it wouldnt have happened.
We dont want to break away , we want to leave you european seperatists and rejoin our EU.
So long vinny. Thanks for all the morris dancing......
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Post by Vinny on Nov 3, 2022 17:58:33 GMT
Most of Scotland disagrees with you.
You'll find out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 10:05:35 GMT
We dont want to break away , we want to leave you european seperatists and rejoin our EU.
Yesterday you just wanted to leave the UK even though it would have meant automatic exclusion from the EU.
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Post by morayloon on Nov 4, 2022 13:37:11 GMT
We dont want to break away , we want to leave you european seperatists and rejoin our EU.
Yesterday you just wanted to leave the UK even though it would have meant automatic exclusion from the EU.
Why would it? Please elaborate. We were dragged out of the EU despite 62% of us voting Remain. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 13:43:16 GMT
Yesterday you just wanted to leave the UK even though it would have meant automatic exclusion from the EU.
Why would it? Please elaborate. We were dragged out of the EU despite 62% of us voting Remain. I thought it was obvious, Scotland wasn't an EU member and would not have automatically inherited membership if they left the member state.
The UK voted to join the EEC and the UK voted to leave the EU. Nobody was dragged out, it's called British democracy which was the very thing Scotland voted to be a part of.
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Post by morayloon on Nov 4, 2022 14:23:31 GMT
Why would it? Please elaborate. We were dragged out of the EU despite 62% of us voting Remain. An argument put forward at the time was that Scotland could be seen as the UK successor state. If that was accepted then, no problem. The problem was that Cameron did not ask the EC to discuss and come up with a decision, so we'll never know.
Whether you like it or not, Scotland voted 62% - 38% in favour of Remaining in the EU. Scottish Democracy was ignored in the rush to placate the xenophobic reaction of the majority of English people. Had the result gone the other way, i.e. 52-48 Remain, Farage is on record as saying it would be unfinished business.
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