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Post by Pacifico on Sept 25, 2023 11:21:26 GMT
There's no point in even asking the question about rejoining the EU because NONE of the mainstream parties will give a truthful answer. They ALL want to rejoin (and that includes Sunak) but none will admit it. I've no idea what the attraction of the EU is but over 75% of our MPs want to be in the EU. Well the attraction for Politicians is that it absolves them of responsibility - any issue that goes wrong then there is always the EU to blame. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 25, 2023 11:27:31 GMT
There's no point in even asking the question about rejoining the EU because NONE of the mainstream parties will give a truthful answer. They ALL want to rejoin (and that includes Sunak) but none will admit it. I've no idea what the attraction of the EU is but over 75% of our MPs want to be in the EU. Well the attraction for Politicians is that it absolves them of responsibility - any issue that goes wrong then there is always the EU to blame. Yes. They clearly don't like the spotlight when they are held accountable. Herd pack mentality is their comfort blanket. Swines. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 25, 2023 11:56:44 GMT
It’s obvious that rejoining the EU is impossible.
There is no way the UK would get the range of favourable opt-outs and special arrangements it had as a member — Brexiteers achieved a burnt earth policy making it difficult for even a mildly friendly economic association with the EU.
The best the UK could push for would be similar status to that of Norway or Switzerland — but woul it be able to offer the EU as much as either of those countries…?
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 25, 2023 17:17:30 GMT
It’s obvious that rejoining the EU is impossible. There is no way the UK would get the range of favourable opt-outs and special arrangements it had as a member — Brexiteers achieved a burnt earth policy making it difficult for even a mildly friendly economic association with the EU. The best the UK could push for would be similar status to that of Norway or Switzerland — but woul it be able to offer the EU as much as either of those countries…? Eh? - Parliament decided on the future relationship with the EU and there were not many Brexiteers in Parliament.. Once the referendum had taken place the whole process moved away from those advocating Brexit to a Parliament that was overwhelmingly in favour of remain. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 25, 2023 17:36:05 GMT
It’s obvious that rejoining the EU is impossible. There is no way the UK would get the range of favourable opt-outs and special arrangements it had as a member — Brexiteers achieved a burnt earth policy making it difficult for even a mildly friendly economic association with the EU. The best the UK could push for would be similar status to that of Norway or Switzerland — but woul it be able to offer the EU as much as either of those countries…? Eh? - Parliament decided on the future relationship with the EU and there were not many Brexiteers in Parliament.. Once the referendum had taken place the whole process moved away from those advocating Brexit to a Parliament that was overwhelmingly in favour of remain. So how come Johnson and latterly, the ERG controlled the UK’s negotiating stances (however useless they — the stances — turned out to be)? Their cutting many useful ties with the EU is why rejoining in any meaningful way is impossible… |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 25, 2023 17:44:59 GMT
Ed (of course a women can have a penis) Davey... Whoa, grammatical awkwardness there. Could we not just shorten to Ed (penis) Davey? Much easier and leaves no one in any doubt. 
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 25, 2023 18:06:46 GMT
Very good ^ genuine chuckle.
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Post by bancroft on Sept 25, 2023 18:27:44 GMT
Expect the Lib Dems to try and do deals that will tie us back in yet never mention Brexit.
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Post by dappy on Sept 25, 2023 19:20:08 GMT
Try to get this simple reality into your heads.
There is NO prospect of rejoining the EU until and unless there is an overwhelming political consensus to do so. The EU have no interest whatsoever in allowing us into their club unless they are reasonably sure it is a permanent stable relationship. The only thing worse for our economy and prosperity than leaving the EU is flip flopping in and out every time the government changes. Simply not going to happen.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 25, 2023 19:28:11 GMT
Try to get this simple reality into your heads. There is NO prospect of rejoining the EU until and unless there is an overwhelming political consensus to do so. The EU have no interest whatsoever in allowing us into their club unless they are reasonably sure it is a permanent stable relationship. The only thing worse for our economy and prosperity than leaving the EU is flip flopping in and out every time the government changes. Simply not going to happen. That’s assuming it’s a full blown instant rejoin . I think we all know that’s not going to happen. If it happens then it will be baby steps . |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 25, 2023 20:28:21 GMT
Expect the Lib Dems to try and do deals that will tie us back in yet never mention Brexit. You're quite right. Like Labour, the LibDems will never mention Brexit, or perish the thought 'rejoining'. No, they say ambiguous things like they want a 'closer relationship', or 'a new deal' or an 'enhanced relationship'. All of which means rejoining the EU without actually saying it out loud. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 25, 2023 21:04:39 GMT
Eh? - Parliament decided on the future relationship with the EU and there were not many Brexiteers in Parliament.. Once the referendum had taken place the whole process moved away from those advocating Brexit to a Parliament that was overwhelmingly in favour of remain. So how come Johnson and latterly, the ERG controlled the UK’s negotiating stances (however useless they — the stances — turned out to be)? Their cutting many useful ties with the EU is why rejoining in any meaningful way is impossible… Parliament had the option to vote on numerous versions of the final agreement - they rejected them all (including EEA and EFTA membership). Johnsons 'deal' (which Parliament did vote in favour of) came after they had rejected everything else. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 25, 2023 21:21:05 GMT
Whatever that may mean has nothing to do with rejoining the EU, which, by the way, seems an impossible dream…
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 25, 2023 21:24:02 GMT
Whatever that may mean has nothing to do with rejoining the EU, which, by the way, seems an impossible dream… LOL - I answer your specific question and you answer by 'Whatever that may mean' you are trolling as usual..  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 21:33:00 GMT
Whatever that may mean has nothing to do with rejoining the EU, which, by the way, seems an impossible dream… No, a nightmare for the majority. |
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