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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2023 21:58:23 GMT
Indeed, every sensible person believes in climate change. But they don't necessarily believe that it's man-made nor in the reasons stated in the climate change agenda. The planet was having climate changes long before man ever came along. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 23, 2023 22:10:25 GMT
Absolutely.
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Post by sandypine on Sept 23, 2023 22:30:38 GMT
Indeed, every sensible person believes in climate change. But they don't necessarily believe that it's man-made nor in the reasons stated in the climate change agenda. More and more they see the hypocrisy in the strongest advocates of the sackcloth and ashes approach for everyone else. The inexorable rise of the private jet and the number of flights made seems to go hand in hand with greater calls from those using them for the rest of us to tighten our carbon belts. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 23:38:39 GMT
Do get get real Fiddly - you have no idea what most people think. So to that end, let's put to bed this poll nonsense once and for all. The problem that all polls face is that only people who are interested in the subject respond. So if, for example, you have a poll on environmental issues then the majority of respondents will be people who believe in the climate change agenda. And they will of course come out against any move away from that narrative. Likewise if there's a poll on EU membership - the majority of respondents will be people who want to rejoin the EU and, surprise, surprise, they come out in favour of EU membership. The majority of respondents does not equal the majority of society. All polls face this problem which why there is only ever one poll that matters and the rest are all bunk. Polling organisations who wish to be reputable always ask a balanced cross section of voters, and over time they have all learned how best to do this in order to remain relevant and reputable. Polling today in the UK is never 100% accurate, but it is close to the truth. Polling consists of the Pollsters approaching the public with a few introductory questions, and if the answers to the introductory questions are not what they are looking for, they do not participate in the poll. This means that a Poll is never conducted amongst 100% Conservative voting or 100% Labour voting participants, but rather balanced voting participaters, usually reflecting the voting intentions of the previous general election. You people are not For Real, you do not represent what most people think, almost 100% of all reputable scientists agree that there is a problem caused by mankind, but you people do not. Sorry, but you are so irrelevant and so out of touch that its almost not worth debating with you, you are the minority, and those that believe there is no climate crisis will have minimal effect on next years general election. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2023 23:43:09 GMT
Do get get real Fiddly - you have no idea what most people think. So to that end, let's put to bed this poll nonsense once and for all. The problem that all polls face is that only people who are interested in the subject respond. So if, for example, you have a poll on environmental issues then the majority of respondents will be people who believe in the climate change agenda. And they will of course come out against any move away from that narrative. Likewise if there's a poll on EU membership - the majority of respondents will be people who want to rejoin the EU and, surprise, surprise, they come out in favour of EU membership. The majority of respondents does not equal the majority of society. All polls face this problem which why there is only ever one poll that matters and the rest are all bunk. Polling organisations who wish to be reputable always ask a balanced cross section of voters, and over time they have all learned how best to do this in order to remain relevant and reputable. Polling today in the UK is never 100% accurate, but it is close to the truth. Polling consists of the Pollsters approaching the public with a few introductory questions, and if the answers to the introductory questions are not what they are looking for, they do not participate in the poll. This means that a Poll is never conducted amongst 100% Conservative voting or 100% Labour voting participants, but rather balanced voting participaters, usually reflecting the voting intentions of the previous general election. You people are not For Real, you do not represent what most people think, almost 100% of all reputable scientists agree that there is a problem caused by mankind, but you people do not. Sorry, but you are so irrelevant and so out of touch that its almost not worth debating with you, you are the minority, and those that believe there is no climate crisis will have minimal effect on next years general election. I don't know one single person who has been asked about their party of choice. There is only one poll that counts your side has been thrashed so nany times at elections even you should have learnt that lesson by now. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 24, 2023 7:10:30 GMT
Do get get real Fiddly - you have no idea what most people think. So to that end, let's put to bed this poll nonsense once and for all. The problem that all polls face is that only people who are interested in the subject respond. So if, for example, you have a poll on environmental issues then the majority of respondents will be people who believe in the climate change agenda. And they will of course come out against any move away from that narrative. Likewise if there's a poll on EU membership - the majority of respondents will be people who want to rejoin the EU and, surprise, surprise, they come out in favour of EU membership. The majority of respondents does not equal the majority of society. All polls face this problem which why there is only ever one poll that matters and the rest are all bunk. Polling organisations who wish to be reputable always ask a balanced cross section of voters, and over time they have all learned how best to do this in order to remain relevant and reputable. Polling today in the UK is never 100% accurate, but it is close to the truth. Polling consists of the Pollsters approaching the public with a few introductory questions, and if the answers to the introductory questions are not what they are looking for, they do not participate in the poll. This means that a Poll is never conducted amongst 100% Conservative voting or 100% Labour voting participants, but rather balanced voting participaters, usually reflecting the voting intentions of the previous general election. You people are not For Real, you do not represent what most people think, almost 100% of all reputable scientists agree that there is a problem caused by mankind, but you people do not. Sorry, but you are so irrelevant and so out of touch that its almost not worth debating with you, you are the minority, and those that believe there is no climate crisis will have minimal effect on next years general election. You have been indoctrinated to the point where you are so irrelevant and so out of touch that its almost not worth debating with you.
You support Beer Korma when he says one thing and still support him when he says the exact opposite. That is not a reasoned approach. It is dogma.
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Post by walterpaisley on Sept 24, 2023 7:26:56 GMT
I don't know one single person who has been asked about their party of choice. My road must be some kind of indicator of a certain type of person (pretty much all "professional people" down here..) the pollsters are interested in. Back in the day when folk still had landlines, everyone I knew - and ourselves - would get calls from Gallup, etc, asking about politics and voting intentions at least a couple of times a month. (I have no idea how they target people since the demise of address-linked phones. I must ask someone..) |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 24, 2023 7:43:15 GMT
Indeed, every sensible person believes in climate change. But they don't necessarily believe that it's man-made nor in the reasons stated in the climate change agenda. The planet was having climate changes long before man ever came along. Indeed, and if man had been around he'd have tried to mitigate them or died out. Nothing changes. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 7:47:26 GMT
I don't know one single person who has been asked about their party of choice. My road must be some kind of indicator of a certain type of person (pretty much all "professional people" down here..) the pollsters are interested in. Back in the day when folk still had landlines, everyone I knew - and ourselves - would get calls from Gallup, etc, asking about politics and voting intentions at least a couple of times a month. (I have no idea how they target people since the demise of address-linked phones. I must ask someone..) On another forum a left leaning poster from Cornwall admitted he had applied to be a client of some polling company . They poll everything not just politics. And that is the reason every so often we have these madcap statements like crushed advoacado has overtaken the full English for brealfast. The polls results are about as much use as a chocalate teapot. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 7:50:27 GMT
The planet was having climate changes long before man ever came along. Indeed, and if man had been around he'd have tried to mitigate them or died out. Nothing changes. So in otherwords you admit that climmate changes are not man made. We all know how the dinosours became extinct lets hope the ECO warriors take the same course. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 24, 2023 7:51:09 GMT
The planet was having climate changes long before man ever came along. Indeed, and if man had been around he'd have tried to mitigate them or died out. Nothing changes. We are all going to die I tell you, the end is nigh, its that fecking bloke with his sandwich board again. Climate change saves. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 7:54:15 GMT
Indeed, and if man had been around he'd have tried to mitigate them or died out. Nothing changes. We are all going to die I tell you, the end is nigh, its that fecking bloke with his sandwich board again. Climate change saves. But we have all died at least 3 times in the last 20 years according to the bumburgh brugade. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 24, 2023 7:55:57 GMT
We are all going to die I tell you, the end is nigh, its that fecking bloke with his sandwich board again. Climate change saves. But we have all died at least 3 times in the last 20 years according to the bumburgh brugade. It is another religious cult, a blind man could see it, while the high priests get fat on the toil of the many. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 24, 2023 8:21:04 GMT
My road must be some kind of indicator of a certain type of person (pretty much all "professional people" down here..) the pollsters are interested in. Back in the day when folk still had landlines, everyone I knew - and ourselves - would get calls from Gallup, etc, asking about politics and voting intentions at least a couple of times a month. (I have no idea how they target people since the demise of address-linked phones. I must ask someone..) On another forum a left leaning poster from Cornwall admitted he had applied to be a client of some polling company . They poll everything not just politics. And that is the reason every so often we have these madcap statements like crushed advoacado has overtaken the full English for breakfast. The polls results are about as much use as a chocalate teapot. My concern is that those who are polled are 'interested parties' where google looks at your search history to see what you are interested in and recommends you to the polling companies as someone likely to respond. This creates a bubble bias. |
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Post by walterpaisley on Sept 24, 2023 8:23:34 GMT
On another forum a left leaning poster from Cornwall admitted he had applied to be a client of some polling company . No one down here ever "applied" to take part in any of these polls, so far as I know. Self selecting surveys (YouGov, and the like) may be handy for marketing purposes, but they're not much use for anything else. I believe the likes of Gallup were steered by postcode/street. Within that, there must've been huge variation, anyway. Ask me for an opinion on something, and you'll get a mix of economic conservatism and social liberality. Ask my next door neighbour, and you'll get pure thatcherism. Across the road lives the last of the Corbynistas, and there's another neighbour who'd happily live under a dictatorship - so long as it was run by farage. One postcode - every opinion on the scale. |
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