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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 26, 2023 20:27:01 GMT
The entire project was an EU inspired waste of money. The moment we voted to leave the EU in 2016 HS2 should have been scrapped. It was a vanity project designed to benefit the EU not the UK. It was EU inspired and is part of the core network of connecting Europe . It even drew grants of around £70 M from the EU at the design stage . As far as the EU were concerned it was about high speed rail links Birmingham to Paris ,it was never about gaining 10 minuites Birmingham to London . As you say it should have been scrapped , not that we dont want faster travel but the reasons for having it have diminished for rail passengers I'm not bothered about the 10 minutes quicker (and it won't gain us anything from Coventry here, as we'd have to go to Birmingham International to catch it, thus actually making it slower), I'd have spent the money on ensuring that what we did have was upgraded to a modern reliable railway. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 26, 2023 21:32:37 GMT
How about depreciation, as you probably write yours off as a tax loss, but most people can't, how much does a replacement hybrid battery cost and is that also accounting for general servicing and repairs? Asking for a friend who is interested in what people think. Firstly. Thank you for your more respectful conversational style here. Its appreciated. Depreciation is a big issue for the early all electric cars where range was a real issue. Hybrids and modern electrics with 250-300mile ranges don't seem to suffer from range anxiety when I talk to other owners. I am not expecting to have to replace the battery as it comes with a 10 year guarantee. But mostly because Kia can replace individual cells in all their range. In Tesla you can't. Had one service so far £220.00, so cheaper than my previous Merc diesel. Our neighbour had a Lexus Hybrid. Worked wonderfully when the battery was new. Rapidly degraded to barely 35mpg when the battery degraded after less than five years
I don't know why this happened.
The battery in my nine year old nissan leaf said it did 74 miles on eco but that was with no lights heating or demister the best you got wit the demister, heater or aircon was 55 miles. This in a car that had done less than a thousand miles a year when i bought it. I was frankly rather pleased to sell it (at a whopping profit)
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 26, 2023 21:34:43 GMT
coming back to hs2 what's the point of getting to london 10 to 20 minutes earlier when saddo had made the speed limit for tens of miles around 20
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Post by jonksy on Sept 26, 2023 22:03:35 GMT
coming back to hs2 what's the point of getting to london 10 to 20 minutes earlier when saddo had made the speed limit for tens of miles around 20 I see twatford is playing the c@nt again he is on about introducing ULEZ on Welsh roads, I put a link in the welsh speed limit thread. |
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 27, 2023 0:55:42 GMT
They were stupid to sell it as a high speed line.
They should have sold it as increasing the capacity, because that is what it does. The high speed trains move onto the high speed line, freeing up more capacity for commuter and freight trains.
Companies have already built freight terminals (such as Royal Mail) and now they won't be able to get the capacity they were expecting!!
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Post by zanygame on Sept 27, 2023 7:15:50 GMT
Firstly. Thank you for your more respectful conversational style here. Its appreciated. Depreciation is a big issue for the early all electric cars where range was a real issue. Hybrids and modern electrics with 250-300mile ranges don't seem to suffer from range anxiety when I talk to other owners. I am not expecting to have to replace the battery as it comes with a 10 year guarantee. But mostly because Kia can replace individual cells in all their range. In Tesla you can't. Had one service so far £220.00, so cheaper than my previous Merc diesel. Our neighbour had a Lexus Hybrid. Worked wonderfully when the battery was new. Rapidly degraded to barely 35mpg when the battery degraded after less than five years
I don't know why this happened.
The battery in my nine year old nissan leaf said it did 74 miles on eco but that was with no lights heating or demister the best you got wit the demister, heater or aircon was 55 miles. This in a car that had done less than a thousand miles a year when i bought it. I was frankly rather pleased to sell it (at a whopping profit)
My sons first electric was a leaf. Very unreliable range prediction easily affected up and down by simple things like hills or fast motorway traffic. For an equivalent comparison for petrol vehicles. Like driving with only 15 miles left in the tank where the range changes suddenly tell you you only have 3 miles left and then back up to 12 miles and then down again. He eventually sold it at a loss. He now has an MG4 and its far better. As he says you never get close to empty so the range prediction going up and down is no longer an issue. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 27, 2023 7:17:40 GMT
They were stupid to sell it as a high speed line. They should have sold it as increasing the capacity, because that is what it does. The high speed trains move onto the high speed line, freeing up more capacity for commuter and freight trains. Companies have already built freight terminals (such as Royal Mail) and now they won't be able to get the capacity they were expecting!! I read somewhere a while back that if they had reduced its speed by 20mph the build costs would have almost halved. I'll see if I can find the article again. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 27, 2023 7:46:04 GMT
They were stupid to sell it as a high speed line. They should have sold it as increasing the capacity, because that is what it does. The high speed trains move onto the high speed line, freeing up more capacity for commuter and freight trains. Companies have already built freight terminals (such as Royal Mail) and now they won't be able to get the capacity they were expecting!! I read somewhere a while back that if they had reduced its speed by 20mph the build costs would have almost halved. I'll see if I can find the article again. Are you thinking of the original ARUP proposal? |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 27, 2023 18:32:41 GMT
I read somewhere a while back that if they had reduced its speed by 20mph the build costs would have almost halved. I'll see if I can find the article again. Are you thinking of the original ARUP proposal? Not sure. |
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Post by Tinculin on Sept 27, 2023 18:47:37 GMT
HS2 became a vanity project years ago.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 28, 2023 12:20:25 GMT
The entire project was an EU inspired waste of money. The moment we voted to leave the EU in 2016 HS2 should have been scrapped. It was a vanity project designed to benefit the EU not the UK. It was EU inspired and is part of the core network of connecting Europe . It even drew grants of around £70 M from the EU at the design stage . As far as the EU were concerned it was about high speed rail links Birmingham to Paris ,it was never about gaining 10 minuites Birmingham to London . As you say it should have been scrapped , not that we dont want faster travel but the reasons for having it have diminished for rail passengers Well said Dogburger. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 28, 2023 15:48:25 GMT
It was EU inspired and is part of the core network of connecting Europe . It even drew grants of around £70 M from the EU at the design stage . As far as the EU were concerned it was about high speed rail links Birmingham to Paris ,it was never about gaining 10 minuites Birmingham to London . As you say it should have been scrapped , not that we dont want faster travel but the reasons for having it have diminished for rail passengers Well said Dogburger. We built a railway in the UK and its the EU's fault because they gave us some money towards it. You couldn't write better comedy. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 28, 2023 16:18:00 GMT
We built a railway in the UK and its the EU's fault because they gave us some money towards it. You couldn't write better comedy. FFS, what is it with lefties? ZG, a UK high speed rail link was a part of the EU Trans-European Railway (TEN-R) plan as defined in EU Council Directive 96/48/EC. and was a condition of John (The Bastard) Major signing Maastricht and handing us to the EU. UK high speed rail had nothing to do with the UK government and it was not intended to benefit the UK. The Trans-European Railway, which UK high speed rail is a part of, was an EU plan designed to benefit the EU, not the UK and it should have been scrapped in 2016. |
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Post by dappy on Sept 28, 2023 16:49:15 GMT
Sorry Red, help me out a little.
How does a rail line between London Euston and Manchester benefit the UK but not benefit UK?
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Post by zanygame on Sept 28, 2023 17:27:03 GMT
We built a railway in the UK and its the EU's fault because they gave us some money towards it. You couldn't write better comedy. FFS, what is it with lefties? ZG, a UK high speed rail link was a part of the EU Trans-European Union Railway (TEN-R) plan as defined in EU Council Directive 96/48/EC. and was a condition of John (The Bastard) Major signing Maastricht and handing us to the EU. UK high speed rail had nothing to do with the UK government and it was not intended to benefit the UK. The Trans-European Railway, which UK high speed rail is a part of, was an EU plan designed to benefit the EU, not the UK and it should have been scrapped in 2016. FFS Red. I am staggered how blind the Right wing can be. WE WANTED THOSE HIGH SPEED RAIL LINKS! THEY WERE NOT FOISTED UPON US. OFCOURSE THEY WERE A BENEFIT TO US. THEY WERE TO CARRY BRITISH GOODS AND WORKERS TO EUROPE. NO ONE MADE US HAVE IT, JUST LIKE THE EUROFIGHTER WE CHOSE TO BE PART OF IT. Frankly Red you're becoming a joke. |
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