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Post by zanygame on Oct 2, 2023 19:39:40 GMT
The war ended 78 years ago. And we still haven't upgraded ? ZG, if you're genuinely interested in this subject a book you will find very interesting is 'The Great Railway Conspiracy' by David Henshaw. It's an extremely revealing read. Another conspiracy jeez. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 2, 2023 20:03:47 GMT
Nothing 'official' lol, are you for real? Do I assume too much if I assume you didn't read it? I did, and here’s a bit: A Trans-European Rail Network (TEN-R) is only part of a larger project because an entire Trans-European Transport Network (TEN-T) is also planned. Its aim is to establish a series of interconnected European transport networks and these were laid down under Decision No. 1692/96/EC on 23 July 1996 with amendments to the scheme being made later. Along with energy and telecommunications, it is intended to cover a Trans-European Road Network, Inland Waterway and Seaport Network, Trans-European Airports Network and – added by Decision No. 884/2004/EC in September 2001 – a ‘Motorways of the Sea’. The whole project was originally outlined in the Treaty of Rome, signed in 1958 which established the European Economic Community that led to the current European Union.
There’s nothing there, or anywhere else, about forcing the UK into massive cost overruns if it wants to bring its rail network up to date or attract passengers and cargo away from air and road… Pat stop being naive ffs. It's hardly a secret that The Trans-European Rail Network (HS2 in the UK) was thought up and designed behind closed doors in Brussels and was incorporated into various treaties including Maastricht which John (The Bastard) Major signed on our behalf but not with our consent. The reason the government embarked on HS2 was because they had no choice, we were legally obliged by EU law to do so. That is until 2020 when, as far as HS2 is concerned we were freed from any legal obligation. By that time of course £billions had already been spent. The question is, should we continue to spend £billions on a railway that we never wanted in the first place, or should we cut & run to save further £billions? Hobsons choice perhaps, but it is at least 'our' choice, at long last. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 2, 2023 20:22:26 GMT
HS2 is defo toast. It's not official yet, but unofficial leaks from very good sources all say Sunak will announce the demise of HS2 in his speech on Wednesday. He will probably sweeten it by announcing cash for other rail projects in the north, particularly the Castlefield corridor in Manchester. We'll see on Wednesday.
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Post by dappy on Oct 2, 2023 20:24:14 GMT
Believe I am right in saying there are only BA flights from Heathrow to. Manchester. Don’t think there are any from Gatwick Stansted or City. If you can find others do let me know. I think it’s six flights a day each way. Sky scanner gives all sorts of possible routes you can follow. You can fly LHR to Boston and then connect to a Boston to Manchester flight but it would be a pretty dumb thing to do. There are 179 flights from London airports including the City of London Airport every week done it got the T shirt Which airline flies from London City to Manchester? |
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Post by dappy on Oct 2, 2023 20:28:15 GMT
I did, and here’s a bit: A Trans-European Rail Network (TEN-R) is only part of a larger project because an entire Trans-European Transport Network (TEN-T) is also planned. Its aim is to establish a series of interconnected European transport networks and these were laid down under Decision No. 1692/96/EC on 23 July 1996 with amendments to the scheme being made later. Along with energy and telecommunications, it is intended to cover a Trans-European Road Network, Inland Waterway and Seaport Network, Trans-European Airports Network and – added by Decision No. 884/2004/EC in September 2001 – a ‘Motorways of the Sea’. The whole project was originally outlined in the Treaty of Rome, signed in 1958 which established the European Economic Community that led to the current European Union.
There’s nothing there, or anywhere else, about forcing the UK into massive cost overruns if it wants to bring its rail network up to date or attract passengers and cargo away from air and road… Pat stop being naive ffs. It's hardly a secret that The Trans-European Rail Network (HS2 in the UK) was thought up and designed behind closed doors in Brussels and was incorporated into various treaties including Maastricht which John (The Bastard) Major signed on our behalf but not with our consent. The reason the government embarked on HS2 was because they had no choice, we were legally obliged by EU law to do so. That is until 2020 when, as far as HS2 is concerned we were freed from any legal obligation. By that time of course £billions had already been spent. The question is, should we continue to spend £billions on a railway that we never wanted in the first place, or should we cut & run to save further £billions? Hobsons choice perhaps, but it is at least 'our' choice, at long last. You live in a strange world Red when you believe anything that fits into your prejudices and don’t let yourself be troubled by facts. It’s quite sweet and must be so much easier than all the cockups and contradictions of the real world. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 20:41:23 GMT
Who's in charge of the Tory Conference ?, Sunak or Truss
It seems Sunak has lost control, he's a U-Turner, a ditherer, he's in charge of uncertainty and seemingly in charge of a country which cannot complete major infastructure projects which originally planned to link four major British citys with an ultra modern, high speed rail link.
Sunak is a joke, this government is a joke and he is making Britain look like a joke, the Tory Party is split, and business leaders are exacerbated.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 2, 2023 20:52:38 GMT
Can anyone provide a link to a diagram of the Trans-European Rail Network which depicts HS2?
And can anyone provide a link to a specific EU directive or regulation that mandates that the UK implements high-speed rail infrastructure (i.e => 300 km/h) anywhere?
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Post by sheepy on Oct 2, 2023 20:59:57 GMT
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Post by sheepy on Oct 2, 2023 21:01:22 GMT
Dumb as fecking rocks.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 2, 2023 21:04:32 GMT
An interesting picture. What do the various colour codes mean? |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 2, 2023 21:05:49 GMT
An interesting picture. What do the various colour codes mean? They mean Gordon couldn't come up with shit on his own, without his masters voice. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 2, 2023 21:13:38 GMT
Well I compliment you on doing a little extra digging, but unfortunately what this EU regulation mandates is not high-speed (+> 300 km/h) passenger links but designated 'freight corridors' which may or may be high-speed (almost certainly not). For example even ten years on there are no high-speed lines in Eastern Europe and very few in Scandinavia for that matter so this pic can't be showing anything close to high-speed reality.
It has no relevance to HS2, or the decision of various UK governments to press ahead with it.
Have another go.
As a reminder we're looking for an EU diagram which depicts HS2.
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Post by sheepy on Oct 2, 2023 21:20:24 GMT
Well I compliment you on doing a little extra digging, but unfortunately what this EU regulation mandates is not high-speed (+> 300 km/h) passenger links but designated 'freight corridors' which may or may be high-speed (almost certainly not). For example even ten years on there are no high-speed lines in Eastern Europe and very few in Scandinavia for that matter so this pic can't be showing anything close to high-speed reality. It has no relevance to HS2, or the decision of various UK governments to press ahead with it. Have another go. As a reminder we're looking for an EU diagram which depicts HS2. Stop swerving Dan, you are becoming an embarrassment yet again. It just so happens it follows the proposed path of HS2. www.railway-technology.com/features/ten-t-corridors/?cf-view |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 2, 2023 21:24:28 GMT
...and yet.. when the railway was under public ownership they closed half the network to save money..  cobblers,they closed so much because Ernest Marples who was as bent as a nine nob note was transport minister with shares in a road transport company and marples ridgeway who built motorways. He ran away and hid on the continent from the long arm of the law. Cobblers - the railway was publicly owned and run and it shut down half the network because it couldn't afford to run it. Marples was long gone by the time the Labour Party enacted the closures. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 2, 2023 21:27:33 GMT
Who's in charge of the Tory Conference ?, Sunak or Truss It seems Sunak has lost control, he's a U-Turner, a ditherer, he's in charge of uncertainty and seemingly in charge of a country which cannot complete major infastructure projects which originally planned to link four major British citys with an ultra modern, high speed rail link.
Sounds great - how much would you be prepared to spend on this or is cost not an issue? |
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