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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 22, 2023 11:58:21 GMT
See, when you look for the positives they are not hard to find. You'll be able to hear birdsong in cities. There's plenty of parakeets singing, or perhaps squawking in Lewisham. Is that city enough for you? Some people think Sunak's relaxation of the plan is “totally evil” , “dangerous and desperate”, “a betrayal of our planet survival plans” and a “moment of shame”. There was a call for an instant general election. The cultists are using the word "genocide". As Melanie Phillips says: Well said. We need a proportionate response to this so called crisis, because, in my view, there is nothing we can do to change the weather or the climate. What do you think we've been doing for the last 200 years if not changing the climate? |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 22, 2023 12:10:07 GMT
The only thing you hear in cities are the remnants crying over their mourning for the EUSSR. Yeah yeah, and the call to prayer coming from the minarets... No you are right, best to just live your whole life with a background hum like a cheap radio. Yes I forgot about the mosques as we are lucky where I live we never hear them. All we hear are the motor boats going about their way or the lapping of the waves which BTW is great for those who suffer from insomnia. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 23, 2023 6:26:22 GMT
The point I was trying to make in the OP that Sunak's extension of the sale of new petrol/diesel cars to 2035 is a con - a mirage - because he's still enforcing the 80% proportion of BEV sales on manufacturers. So the number of new petrol/diesel cars available will be tiny.
Everything Sunak says or does needs to be examined carefully because it's usually a con.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 8:26:05 GMT
The point I was trying to make in the OP that Sunak's extension of the sale of new petrol/diesel cars to 2035 is a con - a mirage - because he's still enforcing the 80% proportion of BEV sales on manufacturers. So the number of new petrol/diesel cars available will be tiny. Everything Sunak says or does needs to be examined carefully because it's usually a con. The Windsor Framework seems to have been exactly that. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 8:41:32 GMT
Maybe we will be buying Chinese made petrol and diesel cars when others are not available.
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 23, 2023 9:35:24 GMT
It's no surprise that we won't be ready to stop selling IC cars by 2030.
I also won't be surprised if it isn't the last extension either.
Kicking the can down the road is the policy of governments around the world.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2023 10:47:21 GMT
It's no surprise that we won't be ready to stop selling IC cars by 2030. I also won't be surprised if it isn't the last extension either. Kicking the can down the road is the policy of governments around the world. VW have now stop producing cars in Germany and are importing Chinese ev's badged VW. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 23, 2023 10:51:48 GMT
It's no surprise that we won't be ready to stop selling IC cars by 2030. I also won't be surprised if it isn't the last extension either. Kicking the can down the road is the policy of governments around the world. VW have now stop producing cars in Germany and are importing Chinese ev's badged VW. The Chinese really are leading the world in manufacturing green technology. While everyone else squabbles about medieval warm periods and increased precipitation in parts of Antarctica China just sees the inevitability of it all and rolls her sleeves up. Kerching... |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2023 11:00:54 GMT
VW have now stop producing cars in Germany and are importing Chinese ev's badged VW. The Chinese really are leading the world in manufacturing green technology. While everyone else squabbles about medieval warm periods and increased precipitation in parts of Antarctica China just sees the inevitability of it all and rolls her sleeves up. Kerching... The Chinese along with India are the worst culprits in producing pollution. Maybe if they were serious about it they would get their own house in order first. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2023 12:00:15 GMT
This argument is pathetic .... That because someone else is doing something bad, it therefore does not matter that we do the same. Whatever happened to "lead by example". ?
Its the same argument as when Western democracies insist that we do not torture or execute terrorists or terror suspects, because if we do, or if we did, then terror organisations and terrorists have justification for torturing our citizens or murdering ( executing ) our citizens.
China and India do have SOME LEGITIMATE JUSTIFICATION, which makes the climate challenge complicated, they are both fast developing nations who have not quite reached the same level as industrialization as The Developed World such as Europe and North America.
If the entire world simply "Gave In" and capitulated to the idea of doing something to combat climate change, then how many years before the flow of migrants from Africa to Europe turns into a tidal wave because some areas WILL become inhabitable. ?
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 23, 2023 12:10:39 GMT
It's no surprise that we won't be ready to stop selling IC cars by 2030. I also won't be surprised if it isn't the last extension either. Kicking the can down the road is the policy of governments around the world. Jesus. It's NOT an "extension" - that's the whole point, duh. The rules are that 80% of cars sold in the UK by 2030 are fully electric. Petrol/diesel cars can still be sold but only up to 20% of the total of new car sales. Since pure electric car sales can't even reach the 22% required for next year - and they're declining with dealers having a great deal of trouble selling them - the likelihood of them reaching 80% of sales on a voluntary basis by 2035 is zero. So you STILL won't be able to buy new petrol/diesel cars after 2030. People keep saying that we're just aligning with the EU but we're not. Their rules are different. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 12:18:51 GMT
This argument is pathetic .... That because someone else is doing something bad, it therefore does not matter that we do the same. Whatever happened to "lead by example". ? Its the same argument as when Western democracies insist that we do not torture or execute terrorists or terror suspects, because if we do, or if we did, then terror organisations and terrorists have justification for torturing our citizens or murdering ( executing ) our citizens. China and India do have SOME LEGITIMATE JUSTIFICATION, which makes the climate challenge complicated, they are both fast developing nations who have not quite reached the same level as industrialization as The Developed World such as Europe and North America. If the entire world simply "Gave In" and capitulated to the idea of doing something to combat climate change, then how many years before the flow of migrants from Africa to Europe turns into a tidal wave because some areas WILL become inhabitable. ? It’s nothing like your comparison . A better comparison is a swimming pool where two large families are pissing and crapping in the pool at the deep and you are telling little Johnny to use the toilet to stop the pool getting dirty . What the West should accept is that they are adding CO2 to the atmosphere by proxy when buying goods from the third world . They shouldn’t be crippling their own economies or making their citizens poorer by trying to be a white knight for Eco worriers. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 23, 2023 12:22:49 GMT
VW have now stop producing cars in Germany and are importing Chinese ev's badged VW. The Chinese really are leading the world in manufacturing green technology. While everyone else squabbles about medieval warm periods and increased precipitation in parts of Antarctica China just sees the inevitability of it all and rolls her sleeves up. Kerching... Jesus H. Christ.  Do you remember that when the Covid outbreak started the Chinese were ready to sell the world PPE at vast prices? China made a fortune out of selling PPE. And China created the virus that caused Covid. So what do you think is happening now? China can't compete with the West when it comes to making conventional cars. They just don't have the technology - and they haven't even managed to copy it - so the incredibly daft rules that our govts are enforcing that we have to go over to electric cars are EXACTLY what they want. Anybody can make electric cars. All they need is cheap energy, which they're got in spades. Do you begin to see what their MO is Montegriffo? They have absolutely no interest in cutting CO2 because they don't even believe this nonsense. That's why they're increasing their CO2 emissions while everyone in the West is destroying their economies to cut CO2. The Chinese are shitting themselves laughing at us. In fact they probably started all this disinformation about CO2 in the first place. FOLOW the money. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 23, 2023 12:59:12 GMT
This argument is pathetic .... That because someone else is doing something bad, it therefore does not matter that we do the same. Whatever happened to "lead by example". ? Its the same argument as when Western democracies insist that we do not torture or execute terrorists or terror suspects, because if we do, or if we did, then terror organisations and terrorists have justification for torturing our citizens or murdering ( executing ) our citizens. China and India do have SOME LEGITIMATE JUSTIFICATION, which makes the climate challenge complicated, they are both fast developing nations who have not quite reached the same level as industrialization as The Developed World such as Europe and North America. If the entire world simply "Gave In" and capitulated to the idea of doing something to combat climate change, then how many years before the flow of migrants from Africa to Europe turns into a tidal wave because some areas WILL become inhabitable. ? The way to save the planet is shoot all the frigging bumburgh disciples. They haven't got a bloody clue about our planets climate or pollution. |
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