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Post by om15 on Nov 2, 2022 18:43:00 GMT
Our NHS, the envy of the world, has committed to increasing it's diversity, inclusion and engagement staff by another 16 advertised positions, they are spending £700,000 on this. Piss taking bastards.  The sooner the NHS is scrapped and replaced by private insurance with commercially driven hospital schemes the better. Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 19:31:45 GMT
If only Nye Bevan could see the NHS now. How much it has grown, its successes, its growth into the biggest taker of treasury money, and its growth into a bloated administrative nightmare.
All he wanted to do was provide basic healthcare, free.
Well, it worked for a long time. Now you can't see a doctor, can't get an Ambulance, A&E waiting time means don't bother. No wonder deaths are exceeding the 5 year average by around 2000 per week.
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Post by borchester on Nov 2, 2022 19:44:04 GMT
If only Nye Bevan could see the NHS now. Actually, he did. Or at least anticipated it.
Bevan realised that the British would endure screaming agony before putting their hand in their pockets, so he invented NICs, which has the advantage that it is deducted at source.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Nov 2, 2022 20:45:21 GMT
The BBC paid a visit to the hospital where I get my treatment (Gloucester Royal) ... citing it as an example of one of the 15 worst run hospitals in the NHS. They quoted (anonymously) several medics ... one said: "I can't wait to get away from this place!" Other comments mirrored what I've been saying ever since I began my treatment there. When I can get it together I'm gonna relocate to another part of the country (hopefully before my health gets wrecked).
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 2, 2022 22:31:01 GMT
Funnily enough I phoned the local GP surgery this afternoon for an appointment - the phone was answered within 2 minutes and after requesting an appointment I was given one in 2 weeks time.
We shall see how the appointment goes..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 8:17:11 GMT
Private insurance is fine if you can afford it.
Why do people think the NHS was created?
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Post by om15 on Nov 3, 2022 8:44:56 GMT
The NHS was created to give medical help to all because no one could afford the costs at the time.
Medical insurance these days is affordable. I pay £40 a month for superb dental care, four hygienist visits, two check ups and as much rectification as required every year. I choose to pay this rather than a smart phone fee.
Full BUPA membership is affordable to most if they choose to make this a priority over eating out, expensive holidays, drinking in pubs and owning expensive electronic junk.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 17:49:33 GMT
The NHS was created to give medical help to all because no one could afford the costs at the time. Medical insurance these days is affordable. I pay £40 a month for superb dental care, four hygienist visits, two check ups and as much rectification as required every year. I choose to pay this rather than a smart phone fee. Full BUPA membership is affordable to most if they choose to make this a priority over eating out, expensive holidays, drinking in pubs and owning expensive electronic junk. How can people pay £40 per month when they have to skip meals so their kids can eat and 'shop' at food banks? When we are all paying for private medical care and the poorest are dying because they cannot afford it, will we stop paying NI, not a chance. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2022 18:01:23 GMT
The NHS is a big, fat , bloated caricature of what it was intended to be .
Even it’s own employees seem to have lost trust in it .
When you have to wait four years for your treatment and it is delayed time and time again by incompetence and indifference then you are too tired both emotionally and physically to be anything but grateful for small mercies when it eventually happens .
The British public are suffering from some kind of Stockholm syndrome over the NHS. They are being held hostage by the system but can’t find it in them to reject it.
Lefties want to pump more and more money into it and people on the right want to privatise it.
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Post by om15 on Nov 3, 2022 21:31:56 GMT
Red Rum, I don't advocate stopping NI or indeed getting rid of the NHS, but it is obvious that just bunging more money at the present mess is not going to help anybody.
I would look at retaining NI contributions, giving Companies and individuals huge tax breaks for buying health care schemes. I would introduce a £15 fee to see a GP, however under 18s, pregnant women unemployed etc for free.
The mantra free at point of use should be dumped, emergency care, cancer treatments and so on should be free, but general GP visits, minor operations and treatments should be chargeable to health care schemes or paid for by those who can afford it.
It is true that people use food banks, often the same people smoke and use their money unwisely, we can't run society in order to give everyone everything, we can't afford it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 5:02:19 GMT
The NHS is a big, fat , bloated caricature of what it was intended to be . Even it’s own employees seem to have lost trust in it . When you have to wait four years for your treatment and it is delayed time and time again by incompetence and indifference then you are too tired both emotionally and physically to be anything but grateful for small mercies when it eventually happens . The British public are suffering from some kind of Stockholm syndrome over the NHS. They are being held hostage by the system but can’t find it in them to reject it. Lefties want to pump more and more money into it and people on the right want to privatise it. I don't think anyone is in any doubt that the NHS system is 'overloaded' and becoming unfit for purpose. Underfunding is a big part of the problem, but it is not the only problem. People abuse the system, going to A&E for minor ailments and accidents and it should be made clear that if you do not reach a certain threshold or level a charge will apply. Management is another area where a lot of savings can be made, there are far too many people at the top claiming large salaries, incentives and bonuses. Private business should have not part of the NHS as we subsidise the companies and dividends are paid to shareholders. Nobody should make a profit from another's misery. Outsourcing is another area that has been exploited to the NHSs cost, again generally with people profiteering at a cost to the taxpayer. You can blame Labour, the Tories or anyone you want but this country desperately needs a good functioning NHS. My wife would have died 20 years ago had it not been for the NHS and there are millions more who can claim the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 5:09:41 GMT
Red Rum, I don't advocate stopping NI or indeed getting rid of the NHS, but it is obvious that just bunging more money at the present mess is not going to help anybody. I would look at retaining NI contributions, giving Companies and individuals huge tax breaks for buying health care schemes. I would introduce a £15 fee to see a GP, however under 18s, pregnant women unemployed etc for free. The mantra free at point of use should be dumped, emergency care, cancer treatments and so on should be free, but general GP visits, minor operations and treatments should be chargeable to health care schemes or paid for by those who can afford it. It is true that people use food banks, often the same people smoke and use their money unwisely, we can't run society in order to give everyone everything, we can't afford it. I was up with you until you mentioned smoking. I was a smoker for most of my life and have now finally quit. People who use foodbanks are usually 'victims' of circumstances beyond their control, lost jobs, very low paid work, illness UC...... To deny them the right to a decent existence is not or should not be what this country is about. There are people that abuse the system but it's not just the poor it goes right through society, but it is usually just the poor we hear about. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 4, 2022 7:54:03 GMT
Scrap equality and diversity roles in the NHS, it doesn't require a white diversity officer to hire a black doctor, the University system and hard work get the right people through.
And back in the 1970s before all this diversity bollocks started, when I was a baby, there was a black nurse looking after me and other new borns at the hospital. I'm pleased that happened without 'positive discrimination ' and she was there because of how good she was.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 4, 2022 8:26:46 GMT
The NHS is a big, fat , bloated caricature of what it was intended to be . Even it’s own employees seem to have lost trust in it . When you have to wait four years for your treatment and it is delayed time and time again by incompetence and indifference then you are too tired both emotionally and physically to be anything but grateful for small mercies when it eventually happens . The British public are suffering from some kind of Stockholm syndrome over the NHS. They are being held hostage by the system but can’t find it in them to reject it. Lefties want to pump more and more money into it and people on the right want to privatise it. I don't think anyone is in any doubt that the NHS system is 'overloaded' and becoming unfit for purpose. Underfunding is a big part of the problem, but it is not the only problem. People abuse the system, going to A&E for minor ailments and accidents and it should be made clear that if you do not reach a certain threshold or level a charge will apply. Management is another area where a lot of savings can be made, there are far too many people at the top claiming large salaries, incentives and bonuses. Private business should have not part of the NHS as we subsidise the companies and dividends are paid to shareholders. Nobody should make a profit from another's misery. Outsourcing is another area that has been exploited to the NHSs cost, again generally with people profiteering at a cost to the taxpayer. You can blame Labour, the Tories or anyone you want but this country desperately needs a good functioning NHS. My wife would have died 20 years ago had it not been for the NHS and there are millions more who can claim the same. If the NHS is a big bloated inefficient behemoth ( which it is ) underfunding is not the problem. The problem is that the NHS is a big bloated inefficient behemoth. once the NHS becomes efficient then we can look at what exactly we want from the NHS and how to fund it. State controlled services can still lose money and be inefficient, they just do it in a different way to private companies . Im not convinced that outsourcing some NHS services would make them liable to profiteering by default,neither am I convinced that ‘ making a profit from other peoples misery’ is even a thing . One could easily change that to ‘ making a profit from alleviating other peoples misery ‘. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2022 8:31:33 GMT
Scrap equality and diversity roles in the NHS, it doesn't require a white diversity officer to hire a black doctor, the University system and hard work get the right people through. And back in the 1970s before all this diversity bollocks started, when I was a baby, there was a black nurse looking after me and other new borns at the hospital. I'm pleased that happened without 'positive discrimination ' and she was there because of how good she was. That' another sensible idea. |
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