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Post by Pacifico on Sept 18, 2023 7:14:35 GMT
In the rush to destroy the country the latest wheeze is to have UK car manufacturers subsidise Chinese manufacturers - the politicians that support this nonsense are guilty of treason.
In a few weeks' time the government will introduce its Zero Emissions Vehicle (ZEV) mandate, designed to force carmakers down the path towards hitting targets to eliminate the sale of the combustion engine.
If a car company misses its target that 22% of its sales are electric, starting in January, it will either face fines of £15,000 per vehicle, or have to buy a surplus credit from a company that has sold lots of electric vehicles.
It happens to be the case that the Chinese-made import brands are mainly all electric.
The net result of all this, fear some in the car industry, is a system where existing UK manufacturers, including of hybrid cars, will pay thousands of pounds to subsidise electric imports.
Essentially, UK factories, which face competition from Chinese electric imports, could have to subsidise them.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 18, 2023 8:07:12 GMT
In the rush to destroy the country the latest wheeze is to have UK car manufacturers subsidise Chinese manufacturers - the politicians that support this nonsense are guilty of treason. In a few weeks' time the government will introduce its Zero Emissions Vehicle (ZEV) mandate, designed to force carmakers down the path towards hitting targets to eliminate the sale of the combustion engine.
If a car company misses its target that 22% of its sales are electric, starting in January, it will either face fines of £15,000 per vehicle, or have to buy a surplus credit from a company that has sold lots of electric vehicles.
It happens to be the case that the Chinese-made import brands are mainly all electric.
The net result of all this, fear some in the car industry, is a system where existing UK manufacturers, including of hybrid cars, will pay thousands of pounds to subsidise electric imports.
Essentially, UK factories, which face competition from Chinese electric imports, could have to subsidise them.This is not going to end well. People are going to hold on to their current petrol and diesel vehicles. Nobody that I know would touch an EV with a barge pole. The EUSSR are already bitching about China's subsidies on EV plus there is still a dire semi-conductor shortage. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 18, 2023 8:50:51 GMT
These people are unbelievable.
Just when you think they couldn't possibly get more daft and destructive, they find a way to make you wrong
They are abusing the population and announcing it as a feature.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 18, 2023 9:02:41 GMT
I wonder how long it will be before politicians start finding themselves hanging from lamp posts? I'm sure it can't be far off.
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 18, 2023 9:07:17 GMT
China already leads the world in EV technology and arguably exports more than anyine else.
Tesla has been working very closely with China, and it looks like China will dominate the volume and price of a large chunk of the industry.
Any challenge will be met by Chinese state subsidy.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 18, 2023 9:11:03 GMT
China already leads the world in EV technology and arguably exports more than anyine else. Tesla has been working very closely with China, and it looks like China will dominate the volume and price of a large chunk of the industry. Any challenge will be met by state subsidy. China may produce them but consumers do not want the crap. No wonder Chinese docks now are just storage facilties for empty cargo containers rather than the bustling ports of yesteryear. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2023 10:03:33 GMT
Chinese electric cars will reduce UK emissions.
That sentence says more than we think. It shows that the objective is not to reduce world wide emissions. The objective is to weaken our manufacturing and economy in favour of Chinese prosperity. This is economic suicide.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 18, 2023 11:54:15 GMT
Asian chipmakers slide as TSMC report stokes demand fearsInvesting.com-- Shares of major Asian chipmaking firms sank on Monday, after a Reuters report said that Taiwan’s TSMC- the world’s largest contract chipmaker- had asked its suppliers to delay deliveries amid concerns over slowing demand. The report follows a warning by TSMC (TW:2330) (NYSE:TSM) during its second-quarter earnings, where CEO C.C. Wei warned that a boom in artificial intelligence development was unlikely to offset a broader, cyclical slowdown in the industry.
TSMC’s Taiwan-listed shares fell more than 3%, while South Korean memory chip makers SK Hynix Inc (KS:000660) and Samsung Electronics (LON:0593xq) Co Ltd (KS:005930) lost more than 2% each. Shares of Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp (HK:0981), China’s biggest chipmaker, fell 3% in Hong Kong trade, while peer Hua Hong Semiconductor Ltd (HK:1347) lost 1.6%. The two spurred an over 1% loss in the Hang Seng index. link
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Post by sheepy on Sept 18, 2023 15:58:56 GMT
These people are unbelievable. Just when you think they couldn't possibly get more daft and destructive, they find a way to make you wrong They are abusing the population and announcing it as a feature. Unbelievable in sense they constantly lie or just because they would groom kids for votes? |
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Post by see2 on Sept 18, 2023 17:56:28 GMT
Chinese electric cars will reduce UK emissions.
That sentence says more than we think. It shows that the objective is not to reduce world wide emissions. The objective is to weaken our manufacturing and economy in favour of Chinese prosperity. This is economic suicide. It seems to me that British car makers have no balls, The British car industry was a world leader after WWII, but the trashy rust box vehicles we were selling to Europe where quickly displaced just as soon as a decent reliable and reasonably well finished vehicle came on the market, (I'm not referring to any Japanese cars). UK car production was all but doomed. I recall an American industrial group visiting the UK in the 1920s, they visited a brand new power station. They were extremely impressed but their report included the words to the effect of. 'Yes the British can produce some fine examples of engineering, but then they squeeze every last penny of profit out of it'. Leaving the product to dodder along until it falls into disuse. That seems to me to be an ongoing weakness of UK industry. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 19, 2023 6:48:29 GMT
Chinese electric cars will reduce UK emissions.
That sentence says more than we think. It shows that the objective is not to reduce world wide emissions. The objective is to weaken our manufacturing and economy in favour of Chinese prosperity. This is economic suicide. It seems to me that British car makers have no balls, The British car industry was a world leader after WWII, but the trashy rust box vehicles we were selling to Europe where quickly displaced just as soon as a decent reliable and reasonably well finished vehicle came on the market, (I'm not referring to any Japanese cars). UK car production was all but doomed. I recall an American industrial group visiting the UK in the 1920s, they visited a brand new power station. There were extremely impressed but their report included the words to the effect of. 'Yes the British can produce some fine examples of engineering, but then they squeeze every last penny of profit out of it'. Leaving the product to dodder along until it falls into disuse. That seems to me to be an ongoing weakness of UK industry. The rustiest car I ever had was a Mercedes. I bought it new in 2000 and it was rusting badly by 2004. On the other hand I have a Triumph which was built in 1967 which still hasn't got a speck or rust on it. The British press rubbished British cars because that's what they do. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 19, 2023 6:54:43 GMT
In the rush to destroy the country the latest wheeze is to have UK car manufacturers subsidise Chinese manufacturers - the politicians that support this nonsense are guilty of treason. In a few weeks' time the government will introduce its Zero Emissions Vehicle (ZEV) mandate, designed to force carmakers down the path towards hitting targets to eliminate the sale of the combustion engine.
If a car company misses its target that 22% of its sales are electric, starting in January, it will either face fines of £15,000 per vehicle, or have to buy a surplus credit from a company that has sold lots of electric vehicles.
It happens to be the case that the Chinese-made import brands are mainly all electric.
The net result of all this, fear some in the car industry, is a system where existing UK manufacturers, including of hybrid cars, will pay thousands of pounds to subsidise electric imports.
Essentially, UK factories, which face competition from Chinese electric imports, could have to subsidise them.The adoption of BEVs is a gift to the Chinese. It removes any advantage that the West had in car manufacture because anyone can build an electric car - there's no need for complex engines and gearboxes. And the reliance on huge expensive batteries is another gift to the Chinese because they can produce them far more cheaply than anyone else because of cheap energy and cheap labour. Basically Net Zero is going to make China richer and the West poorer and our govt has walked into this trap. What's the betting that China is the source of the disinformation about CO2? |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 19, 2023 6:56:44 GMT
It seems to me that British car makers have no balls, The British car industry was a world leader after WWII, but the trashy rust box vehicles we were selling to Europe where quickly displaced just as soon as a decent reliable and reasonably well finished vehicle came on the market, (I'm not referring to any Japanese cars). UK car production was all but doomed. I recall an American industrial group visiting the UK in the 1920s, they visited a brand new power station. There were extremely impressed but their report included the words to the effect of. 'Yes the British can produce some fine examples of engineering, but then they squeeze every last penny of profit out of it'. Leaving the product to dodder along until it falls into disuse. That seems to me to be an ongoing weakness of UK industry. The rustiest car I ever had was a Mercedes. I bought it new in 2000 and it was rusting badly by 2004. On the other hand I have a Triumph which was built in 1967 which still hasn't got a speck or rust on it. The British press rubbished British cars because that's what they do. In Paignton there was a dealership that dealt with BMW, SAAB and Alfa Romeo. A friend of mine told me who worked there that the new Alfa Suds had to be brought into the workshop and their interiors removed as there was a pool of water in each one the carpets and seats had to be dried out using space heaters before they could be delivered to the customer. The Alfa Sud was voted car of the year by the British press. |
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Post by Orac on Sept 19, 2023 7:10:53 GMT
In the rush to destroy the country the latest wheeze is to have UK car manufacturers subsidise Chinese manufacturers - the politicians that support this nonsense are guilty of treason. In a few weeks' time the government will introduce its Zero Emissions Vehicle (ZEV) mandate, designed to force carmakers down the path towards hitting targets to eliminate the sale of the combustion engine.
If a car company misses its target that 22% of its sales are electric, starting in January, it will either face fines of £15,000 per vehicle, or have to buy a surplus credit from a company that has sold lots of electric vehicles.
It happens to be the case that the Chinese-made import brands are mainly all electric.
The net result of all this, fear some in the car industry, is a system where existing UK manufacturers, including of hybrid cars, will pay thousands of pounds to subsidise electric imports.
Essentially, UK factories, which face competition from Chinese electric imports, could have to subsidise them.The adoption of BEVs is a gift to the Chinese. It removes any advantage that the West had in car manufacture because anyone can build an electric car - there's no need for complex engines and gearboxes. And the reliance on huge expensive batteries is another gift to the Chinese because they can produce them far more cheaply than anyone else because of cheap energy and cheap labour. Basically Net Zero is going to make China richer and the West poorer and our govt has walked into this trap. What's the betting that China is the source of the disinformation about CO2? It's so daft I'm find it difficult to credit to anything but deliberate sabotage. Are they really thick as shit? |
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Post by see2 on Sept 19, 2023 14:51:24 GMT
It seems to me that British car makers have no balls, The British car industry was a world leader after WWII, but the trashy rust box vehicles we were selling to Europe where quickly displaced just as soon as a decent reliable and reasonably well finished vehicle came on the market, (I'm not referring to any Japanese cars). UK car production was all but doomed. I recall an American industrial group visiting the UK in the 1920s, they visited a brand new power station. There were extremely impressed but their report included the words to the effect of. 'Yes the British can produce some fine examples of engineering, but then they squeeze every last penny of profit out of it'. Leaving the product to dodder along until it falls into disuse. That seems to me to be an ongoing weakness of UK industry. The rustiest car I ever had was a Mercedes. I bought it new in 2000 and it was rusting badly by 2004. On the other hand I have a Triumph which was built in 1967 which still hasn't got a speck or rust on it. The British press rubbished British cars because that's what they do. Knowing the Triumph, I find that a bit difficult to believe. Nevertheless, the fact is that the UK market very quickly fell into the doldrums after having a very clear head start in cars produced and exported into Europe. Clearly my point still stands. |
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