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Post by Orac on Sept 12, 2023 11:09:26 GMT
I always had some sympathy for Humphrey. He often had a point - buried under all the humour.
The ruling class will forever exist as a subset - power may change hands but the one stationary point is there is always a ruling 'class'
However, Humphrey's depiction of a ruling class looks almost like a panacea compared to what we have now. At least Humphrey wasn't an incompetent political ideologue with several visible psychiatric problems
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 11:20:05 GMT
Employment in the Civil Service should be on the same basis as any other job. If you work for a shoe manufacturer and don't like that they use leather surely you have two choices, leave or don't take the job or get on with it. If those in Whitehall have such sensitivity about how the country is run then they have the same choice, but at present they seem to have a glorified view that they are the most important factor in how this democracy should continue. They have one vote per person the same as the rest of us, the fact that their offices are at the centre of Government must have no impact on the job that they do for the Nation.
Any Civil Servant who feels otherwise is actually unemployable in Government circles and should be shown the door after due warnings and reports of course. They are the same as the rest of us after all.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 12:15:20 GMT
Should the civil service not be allowed to vote or indicate which way they voted. There are half a million people in the civil service should they all be silenced as in Russia? We know the civil service is pro EU because Rum disagrees, we always know when we are on the right track when Rum disagrees with you. The only civil servants I know are right wing zealots. I can name them if you want? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 12, 2023 12:20:59 GMT
We know the civil service is pro EU because Rum disagrees, we always know when we are on the right track when Rum disagrees with you. The only civil servants I know are right wing zealots. I can name them if you want? go on then. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 12, 2023 14:09:31 GMT
.... where's he gone?
must be a bloody long list ... LOL
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 14:14:51 GMT
The only civil servants I know are right wing zealots. I can name them if you want? go on then. Harry Redcraft, John Jenkins, Peter Smalls, Ron Gooding..... Want more? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 12, 2023 14:27:58 GMT
Harry Redcraft, John Jenkins, Peter Smalls, Ron Gooding..... Want more? How the hell would I know about any of them ^^ Google them
Harry Redcraft comes up with Harry Rednapp
John Jenkins makes cocktail glasses
Peter Smalls is dead
Ron Gooding is associated with Royal Yachting Association (RYA)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 15:16:06 GMT
Harry Redcraft, John Jenkins, Peter Smalls, Ron Gooding..... Want more? Very funny. To use Red Rackham's favourite "P" word would be too kind to you. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 13, 2023 10:57:07 GMT
Gosh .... imagine that ?, civil servants actually have opinions How dare they Quote: You must: serve the government [footnote 2], whatever its political persuasion, to the best of your ability in a way which maintains political impartiality and is in line with the requirements of this code, no matter what your own political beliefs are. link |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2023 11:18:12 GMT
Are Civil Servants allowed to vote ?
If the answer is YES, then they obviously vote based on their understanding and opinion
Are Civil Servants allowed to have opinions ?
This is another case of sour grapes for the Brexiters, because Brexit is a proven mistake, and because all polls and surveys now say that there is a big majority who would now rejoin.
Sour grapes, because very slowly, and under a Tory government, we are edging closer and closer to co-operation on many fronts with the EU, on border control (Forex), and other areas such as Horizon.
The utter farce of cutting ties to Pan European organisations which lead to all kinds of scientific, medical and engineering breakthroughs is akin to vandalism. The case of the Galileo Navigation System been a classic example, where the UK has thrown Millions of pounds down the drain.
Civil SErvants are educated people, intelligent people, and like most of the population, they see what Brexit did, it was the biggest single act of Self Harm ever committed by a UK government to the UK.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 13, 2023 11:26:21 GMT
Are Civil Servants allowed to vote ? If the answer is YES, then they obviously vote based on their understanding and opinion Are Civil Servants allowed to have opinions ? This is another case of sour grapes for the Brexiters, because Brexit is a proven mistake, and because all polls and surveys now say that there is a big majority who would now rejoin. Sour grapes, because very slowly, and under a Tory government, we are edging closer and closer to co-operation on many fronts with the EU, on border control (Forex). The utter farce of cutting ties to Pan European organisations which lead to all kinds of scientific, medical and engineering breakthroughs is akin to vandalism. The case of the Galileo Navigation System been a classic example, where the UK has thrown Millions of pounds down the drain. Civil SErvants are educated people, intelligent people, and like most of the population, they see what Brexit did, it was the biggest single act of Self Harm ever committed by a UK government to the UK. I don't think I've seen any poster say civil servant shouldn't be allowed to vote or have opinions, if you put on your listening ears, what we are saying the way they vote and their personal opinions should not influence or reflect in the duty to carry out their job, they should be neutral politics when in the place of work, especially being a civil servant.
We know this not to be the case, it's common knowledge the lefty remoaners in the civil service are obstructing this government, and when they are told they must do their job, they just report the minister for bullying.
Even a fool know that.
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Post by Orac on Sept 13, 2023 11:37:18 GMT
Are Civil Servants allowed to vote ? If the answer is YES, then they obviously vote based on their understanding and opinion Are Civil Servants allowed to have opinions ? This is another case of sour grapes for the Brexiters, because Brexit is a proven mistake, and because all polls and surveys now say that there is a big majority who would now rejoin. Sour grapes, because very slowly, and under a Tory government, we are edging closer and closer to co-operation on many fronts with the EU, on border control (Forex). The utter farce of cutting ties to Pan European organisations which lead to all kinds of scientific, medical and engineering breakthroughs is akin to vandalism. The case of the Galileo Navigation System been a classic example, where the UK has thrown Millions of pounds down the drain. Civil SErvants are educated people, intelligent people, and like most of the population, they see what Brexit did, it was the biggest single act of Self Harm ever committed by a UK government to the UK. what we are saying the way they vote and their personal opinions should not influence or reflect in the duty to carry out their job, they should be neutral politics when in the place of work, especially being a civil servant.
This seems to be the sticking point with the left. The left believe they should be able to field a government (taxpayer) funded, uncountable political party, who can over-ride democracy |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 13, 2023 11:48:36 GMT
what we are saying the way they vote and their personal opinions should not influence or reflect in the duty to carry out their job, they should be neutral politics when in the place of work, especially being a civil servant.
This seems to be the sticking point with the left. The left believe they should be able to field a government (taxpayer) funded, uncountable political party, who can over-ride democracy It's like they've set themselves up as a legitimate fourth political main party 'The Remainers'.
This mindset is rife in the civil service, if they are tasked to do anything that in anyway upsets or further strains our relationship with the EU, they refuse to do it.
Who the hell do they think they are?
They refuse to acknowledge Brexit, and that's why are Brexit progress is stagnated, if we had a strong leader he would be roosting out these traitors , with their unofficial remoaner party running the civil service, and to add insult to injury we the tax payers pay their salaries.
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Post by Orac on Sept 13, 2023 12:07:22 GMT
This seems to be the sticking point with the left. The left believe they should be able to field a government (taxpayer) funded, uncountable political party, who can over-ride democracy It's like they've set themselves up as a legitimate fourth political main party 'The Remainers'.
This mindset is rife in the civil service, if they are tasked to do anything that in anyway upsets or further strains our relationship with the EU, they refuse to do it.
Who the hell do they think they are? It's the Soviet model of governance through tiers of un-accountable bureaucracy. Even an elected government can't get around it and so you just have a permanent political party in control of everything. The next Labour administration will likely make it illegal to try to do something about it. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 13, 2023 12:24:16 GMT
It's like they've set themselves up as a legitimate fourth political main party 'The Remainers'.
This mindset is rife in the civil service, if they are tasked to do anything that in anyway upsets or further strains our relationship with the EU, they refuse to do it.
Who the hell do they think they are? It's the Soviet model of governance through tiers of un-accountable bureaucracy. Even an elected government can't get around it and so you just have a permanent political party in control of everything.
The next Labour administration will likely make it illegal to try to do something about it.Rayner has already confirmed her 'cast iron promise' she is taking the government through the courts to repeal striking laws.
If Labour get to power they will introduce lefty policies that will tie the hands of successive governments, that's what Blair did with his GP contracts.
They will make sure the Unions can hold the country to ransom any time they like, and when they like without any interference from the serving government.
That's just for starters ^^
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