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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2023 7:05:04 GMT
..should we have one?
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 11, 2023 7:24:25 GMT
I've being saying it for years, it's as clear as the nose on your face this if a lefty civil service, and every time a minister tells them to do their job they accuse the minister of bullying.
I think it's one government department that needs privatizing like the BoE, but not with lefties.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 11, 2023 7:48:26 GMT
Until the people overthrow the Westminster party which is under their complete control there is no other way to stop them. Voting someone else straight into the Westminster bubble will not change a thing. Not one of them is going to allow a direct choice for the people. The Conservatives were left no choice in the end, which they truly believed they could whip the public and carry on as normal. They never reckoned on the people behind it being a lot smarter than they ever were.
Either that or end up ethnically cleansed.
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 11, 2023 14:56:15 GMT
I've being saying it for years, it's as clear as the nose on your face this if a lefty civil service, and every time a minister tells them to do their job they accuse the minister of bullying. I think it's one government department that needs privatizing like the BoE, but not with lefties. Brexit was never a left right issue, no matter how many times you say so. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 11, 2023 15:01:10 GMT
I've being saying it for years, it's as clear as the nose on your face this if a lefty civil service, and every time a minister tells them to do their job they accuse the minister of bullying. I think it's one government department that needs privatizing like the BoE, but not with lefties. Brexit was never a left right issue, no matter how many times you say so. Name me one Labour/Lib-dem front bencher who is not a remainer? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 11, 2023 15:04:00 GMT
Jeremy Corbyn.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 11, 2023 15:12:19 GMT
The civil service is 'supposedly' politically impartial and independent of government, of course everyone knows it has quite a severe left wing bent. I think this is partly down to very left wing people within the PCS Union who are openly pro EU and anti Tory, and a timid government who are frightened to object. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2023 16:34:59 GMT
If we cannot get an independent/impartial civil service that will implement government policy then how about the American system - senior civil service posts are filled by Government appointment for the duration of the Administration.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 11, 2023 18:49:10 GMT
LOL well speaking of timid Boris was put in charge of leaving the EU and Dominic was in charge of sorting out the Civil service, neither faired very well. Now we have Rees Mogg in charge of trying to at least get them to do a day's graft, he seems to have gone rather silent as well.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2023 21:41:02 GMT
LOL well speaking of timid Boris was put in charge of leaving the EU and Dominic was in charge of sorting out the Civil service, neither faired very well. Now we have Rees Mogg in charge of trying to at least get them to do a day's graft, he seems to have gone rather silent as well. The Government will is lacking - they could tell all Civil Servants to be in the office tomorrow - yet they choose not too. |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 11, 2023 21:53:05 GMT
Like Westminster the civil service needs a root and branch overhaul,the civil service needs reminding who they work for the clues in the job title civil servants,wouldn’t be a bad idea if politicians were reminded of that either.
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 12, 2023 1:29:24 GMT
really ? I’m not sure he ever expressed a preference. How do you know…. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 12, 2023 1:41:30 GMT
LOL well speaking of timid Boris was put in charge of leaving the EU and Dominic was in charge of sorting out the Civil service, neither faired very well. Now we have Rees Mogg in charge of trying to at least get them to do a day's graft, he seems to have gone rather silent as well. The Government will is lacking - they could tell all Civil Servants to be in the office tomorrow - yet they choose not too. But who, apart from property developers, ACTUALLY benefits from a return to the 100% of the workforce enduring a two to three hour commute ? Especially when there is no physical product output. Workplace working only makes sense to those who profit from leeching off it and those industries - and i MEAN INDUSTRIES - who MUST have their workforce travel to a workplace to work, like those who produced the car parts at the assembly line whose systems i helped automate. I was forced to get up at six thirty in order to be in tbe car at seven fifteen in order to be standing before the clocking in machine by eight but It made no sense for me to endure the cost and time wasting and stress of that when MY job was to receive change requests and work orders and create or modify windows, android or web software to implement those changes and DO those on a bloody laptop. I only ever NEEDED to be there when a physical presence was needed for some aspect of an installation. So unless the problem is that people do what you INspect not what you EXpect for which physical bums on physical seats is your solution. OR you are a rabid control freak, i’m really struggling to see what a return to victorian workhouse values brings to a Civil Service |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 12, 2023 5:28:25 GMT
How long did that arsehole sit on the fence for? He doesn't know himself what side it hangs. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 12, 2023 6:35:55 GMT
The Government will is lacking - they could tell all Civil Servants to be in the office tomorrow - yet they choose not too. But who, apart from property developers, ACTUALLY benefits from a return to the 100% of the workforce enduring a two to three hour commute ? Especially when there is no physical product output. Workplace working only makes sense to those who profit from leeching off it and those industries - and i MEAN INDUSTRIES - who MUST have their workforce travel to a workplace to work, like those who produced the car parts at the assembly line whose systems i helped automate. I was forced to get up at six thirty in order to be in tbe car at seven fifteen in order to be standing before the clocking in machine by eight but It made no sense for me to endure the cost and time wasting and stress of that when MY job was to receive change requests and work orders and create or modify windows, android or web software to implement those changes and DO those on a bloody laptop. I only ever NEEDED to be there when a physical presence was needed for some aspect of an installation. So unless the problem is that people do what you INspect not what you EXpect for which physical bums on physical seats is your solution. OR you are a rabid control freak, i’m really struggling to see what a return to victorian workhouse values brings to a Civil ServiceWell since the Civil Service embraced shirking from home service levels to the customers have collapsed. If you telephone and get through to someone sitting on their sofa they cannot help because all the forms needed are in the office.. |
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