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Post by sheepy on Sept 9, 2023 7:35:59 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 9, 2023 8:08:17 GMT
I'll give three for the police who tried to stop them.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 9, 2023 10:01:10 GMT
These two violent 'refugees' who attacked the police did it in France! So why are they in jail in England? Shouldn't they have been deported to face trial in France?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2023 11:35:52 GMT
I don't understand how these people can be tried in Canterbury Crown Court for assaulting French police in France. I've not seen that before.
EDIT I've read it again and they were prosecuted for "attempting to arrive in the UK without valid entry clearance".
This obviously does not apply to all the others which are arriving on the Kent and Sussex beaches.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 9, 2023 12:06:09 GMT
These two violent 'refugees' who attacked the police did it in France! So why are they in jail in England? Shouldn't they have been deported to face trial in France? Good point Red.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 9, 2023 17:15:26 GMT
I don't understand how these people can be tried in Canterbury Crown Court for assaulting French police in France. I've not seen that before. EDIT I've read it again and they were prosecuted for "attempting to arrive in the UK without valid entry clearance". This obviously does not apply to all the others which are arriving on the Kent and Sussex beaches. yes - this is where this case is a nonsense. If they were going to be prosecuted for attacking the police that should have been done in France as the UK Courts have no jurisdiction. However if, as it appears, they were prosecuted for illegally arriving in the UK on a rubber boat why are not all those who illegally arrive being prosecuted?.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 9, 2023 17:54:05 GMT
Oh, come now I am sure our legal eagle Darling can explain it all very easily. Unless of course the excuse is, this isn't our Darlings bag.
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Post by Cartertonian on Sept 10, 2023 9:02:16 GMT
I guess for the same reason that all those arriving by this route are not having their asylum claims processed. They would overwhelm the system.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2023 10:16:28 GMT
Is there ONLY one side, and one story here, or could there be a different way of looking at it, or have posters made their minds up based upon their own prejudices. ?
Personally, I dont know, but then on the other hand neither does any other poster because none of you have the facts or the information.
For a start off - these defendants / migrants are from SUDAN, so that one piece of information implies a lot. Sudan is a country torn apart by civil war, constant coups, hunger and abject poverty, and this year alone thousands have died.
In April of this year terrorists murdered UN food aid workers, causing the UN Food Programme to leave Sudan, thousands are suffering famine and hunger.
Maybe, just maybe these people decided to escape Sudan and try to make a better life, start again somewhere else. Possibly they have lost family in the war, maybe their livelyhood or home villages were destroyed, I dont know, does anyone know. ?
If YOU were that desparate, and if you knew that returning to Sudan might mean death, would YOU threaten violence at officials trying to stop you. ?
I fully accept that we simply cannot take everyone who wants to come here, and I know full well that some asylum seekers are simply economic migrants, but some people refuse to accept that some are genuinely escaping danger, war, potential death.
Instead of merely saying "we dont want them" why not come up with real solutions, at the end of the day they are human beings, not animals or commodities.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 10, 2023 10:28:20 GMT
I fully accept that we simply cannot take everyone who wants to come here, and I know full well that some asylum seekers are simply economic migrants, but some people refuse to accept that some are genuinely escaping danger, war, potential death. Instead of merely saying "we dont want them" why not come up with real solutions, at the end of the day they are human beings, not animals or commodities. How many would you take and what should be done with the rest that turn up after you hit your limit?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2023 11:33:46 GMT
Why cannot the world create a UN Enclave or a UN Protectorate on the borders of Sudan and Libya, protected by international forces, build infastructure, permanent housing, create the means of employment, give refugees fleeing from war the opportunities to start a new life close to home.
Places like Oman, The UAE, the Gulf States employ hundreds of thousands of immigrant workers from SE Asia, why cant we encorage them to build new towns and encourage resettlement.
The countries which already host huge refugee camps, such as Turkey, why cannot the international community help and encourage these countries to build permanent homes, schools, employment opportunities.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 10, 2023 12:19:49 GMT
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Post by Handyman on Sept 10, 2023 12:23:35 GMT
I don't understand how these people can be tried in Canterbury Crown Court for assaulting French police in France. I've not seen that before. EDIT I've read it again and they were prosecuted for "attempting to arrive in the UK without valid entry clearance". This obviously does not apply to all the others which are arriving on the Kent and Sussex beaches. yes - this is where this case is a nonsense. If they were going to be prosecuted for attacking the police that should have been done in France as the UK Courts have no jurisdiction. However if, as it appears, they were prosecuted for illegally arriving in the UK on a rubber boat why are not all those who illegally arrive being prosecuted?. We could charge everyone of the people who land on our shores unlawfully , the problem being if they do charge them all our Courts could not deal with such numbers , then appeals on top just more taxpayers money down the pan as per usual
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