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Post by Pacifico on Sept 5, 2023 11:03:34 GMT
..Socialists always end up running out of other peoples money..
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Post by Handyman on Sept 5, 2023 11:24:56 GMT
There are others that are also running out of money
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Post by jonksy on Sept 5, 2023 11:31:38 GMT
There are others that are also running out of money Labour's finances would be in doldrums whithout JSO backing.
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Post by Fairsociety on Sept 5, 2023 11:41:43 GMT
To add insult to injury, they use other peoples money to fund their own causes and agendas that will benefit them now, and in the future, they are generally all Woke virtue signalling projects, that always end up flopping, and no one is answerable or accountable to where the money went and no one loses their job, in fact they generally get promoted. ...... crazy.
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 5, 2023 11:47:52 GMT
There are others that are also running out of money Labour's finances would be in doldrums whithout JSO backing. Have you just totally confused party funding with council funding? 😳
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2023 12:45:18 GMT
To add insult to injury, they use other peoples money to fund their own causes and agendas that will benefit them now, and in the future, they are generally all Woke virtue signalling projects, that always end up flopping, and no one is answerable or accountable to where the money went and no one loses their job, in fact they generally get promoted. ...... crazy. I have to ask, what 'causes'?
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Post by jonksy on Sept 5, 2023 13:17:09 GMT
Labour's finances would be in doldrums whithout JSO backing. Have you just totally confused party funding with council funding? 😳 Nope No confusion here...maybe you could enlighten us all how much labour have had from JSO. But I won't hold my breath awaiting your answer.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 5, 2023 13:20:24 GMT
To add insult to injury, they use other peoples money to fund their own causes and agendas that will benefit them now, and in the future, they are generally all Woke virtue signalling projects, that always end up flopping, and no one is answerable or accountable to where the money went and no one loses their job, in fact they generally get promoted. ...... crazy. Its much easier mate to act rash with others money..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2023 13:29:09 GMT
To add insult to injury, they use other peoples money to fund their own causes and agendas that will benefit them now, and in the future, they are generally all Woke virtue signalling projects, that always end up flopping, and no one is answerable or accountable to where the money went and no one loses their job, in fact they generally get promoted. ...... crazy. They enslave the population and feed off the state until the host dies. They're literally parasites.
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Post by dappy on Sept 5, 2023 13:29:18 GMT
Have you just totally confused party funding with council funding? 😳 Nope No confusion here...maybe you could enlighten us all how much labour have had from JSO. But I won't hold my breath awaiting your answer. Zero as far as I know. What has that to do with Birmingham Council anyway? Council finances and the commercial risks they are encouraged to take May very well be the next big scandal.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 5, 2023 13:55:10 GMT
Nope No confusion here...maybe you could enlighten us all how much labour have had from JSO. But I won't hold my breath awaiting your answer. Zero as far as I know. What has that to do with Birmingham Council anyway? Council finances and the commercial risks they are encouraged to take May very well be the next big scandal. The thread title is SOCIALISIM. So nothing wrong with broadening the spectre. I am sure if Pacifico does not agree he will remove my efforts...
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 5, 2023 13:57:39 GMT
Zero as far as I know. What has that to do with Birmingham Council anyway? Council finances and the commercial risks they are encouraged to take May very well be the next big scandal. The thread title is SOCIALISIM. So nothing wrong with broadening the spectre. I am sure if Pacifico does not agree he will remove my efforts... Nope. You confused party funding with council funding.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 5, 2023 14:02:32 GMT
The thread title is SOCIALISIM. So nothing wrong with broadening the spectre. I am sure if Pacifico does not agree he will remove my efforts... Nope. You confused party funding with council funding. The thread title is SOCIALISM. So report me if you think I am out of order.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 5, 2023 14:17:32 GMT
..Socialists always end up running out of other peoples money.. Local authorities have three main sources of revenue: government grants – money from central government for local services council tax – a property tax levied on residential properties business rates – a property tax levied on business premises. In 2019/20 (the last year before emergency Covid funding), local authorities in England received 22% of their funding from government grants, 52% from council tax, and 27% from retained business rates. Unlike central government, local authorities cannot borrow to finance day-to-day spending, and so they must either run balanced budgets or draw down reserves – money built up by underspending in earlier years – so as not to exceed their annual revenue. Local government in England has limited revenue-raising powers compared to other wealthy countries. In 2018, every other G7 nation collected more taxes at either a local or regional level.1 7% of the UK's taxes were collected, or intended to be collected, locally in 2014, compared to 12% collected locally or federally in Italy, 32% in Germany, and almost 50% in Canada. How has local government funding changed since 2010? Local authority ‘spending power’ – the amount of money authorities have to spend from government grants, council tax and business rates – fell by 17.5% between 2009/10 and 2019/20, before partially recovering. However, in 2021/22 it was still 10.2% below 2009/10 levels. The fall in spending power is largely because of reductions in central government grants. These grants were cut 40% in real terms between 2009/10 and 2019/20, from £46.5bn to £28.0bn (2023/24 prices). This downward trend was reversed in 2020/21 and 2021/22 as central government made more grant funding available to local government in response to the pressures of the pandemic. Though even including Covid grants the fall in income from was 21% in real terms between 2009/10 and 2021/22; without, the fall was 31%. While grants from central government were cut, rates of council tax, set by individual councils, were allowed to increased. Local authorities raised 30% more council tax, in real terms, in 2021/22 compared to 2009/10. The Localism Act 2011 – which came into effect in 2012/13 – included a clause that prevented local authorities from raising council tax rates by more than 2% annually without holding a referendum.2 Theresa May’s government increased this to 3% for 2018/19 and 2019/20. Most recently, the government allowed local authorities to raise this again, to 5%, for authorities with social care responsibilities – with 2% from the social care precept and the remaining 3% for discretionary My bit whey don't they say where the money comes from the Grants Governments make to Local authorities is taxpayers money , the revenue the Local Authorities raise at local level is taxpayers money as per usual
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Post by dappy on Sept 5, 2023 14:28:11 GMT
Financing of local authorities is pretty opaque Handyman. There is a difference between so called revenue finances - the day to day income and expenditure and capital finances - longer term. One of the quirks is that councils can and do borrow for capital spending. They can effectively for example borrow money from banks, invest it in commercial property and use the net rent for revenue spending. This is fine until the commercial property market declines in value, rents stagnate and interest on the loans increases. That perfect storm is pretty much where we are now. This may very well be the next big scandal to break.
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