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Post by sheepy on Sept 2, 2023 21:24:51 GMT
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 8:23:05 GMT
its actually the other way around sheepy. Yousaf is playing to the gallery while labour are the ones caught like a rabbit in headlights trying to face two ways to appease public opinion on the eu which is as you know different in the two countries. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 3, 2023 10:09:58 GMT
Right now, the argument for being members has never been weaker.
The EU is in a state of flux, going through a treaty change procedure that may well take the entire decade to resolve.
We do not know what it will become, whether it will become more democratic or less.
But right now, if we went back in, we would not get opt outs, vetoes or a rebate.
The terms would be different to those we had.
We would lose our new free trade agreements.
We would lose our currency.
We would lose our independence and return to a political strait jacket and for what?
Our trade with the EU is worth more now (inflation adjusted) than it was before the referendum.
Brexit is working.
The French are now resolving customs issues at Calais.
Let them be them and let the UK stay independent.
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 12:03:05 GMT
Right now, the argument for being members has never been weaker. The EU is in a state of flux, going through a treaty change procedure that may well take the entire decade to resolve. We do not know what it will become, whether it will become more democratic or less. But right now, if we went back in, we would not get opt outs, vetoes or a rebate. The terms would be different to those we had. We would lose our new free trade agreements. We would lose our currency. We would lose our independence and return to a political strait jacket and for what? Our trade with the EU is worth more now (inflation adjusted) than it was before the referendum. Brexit is working. The French are now resolving customs issues at Calais. Let them be them and let the UK stay independent. your argument seems to be fallin on deaf ears vinny.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 3, 2023 14:12:00 GMT
its actually the other way around sheepy. Yousaf is playing to the gallery while labour are the ones caught like a rabbit in headlights trying to face two ways to appease public opinion on the eu which is as you know different in the two countries. You think? but you have constantly told them the Scots are miffed because we left the EU, suddenly SNP voters are flocking their way. While the remainers are all over the internet saying they are Labour or Lib Dem voters and how they have been wronged. You can forget about any kind of independence once they have taken us back into the EU you can bet on that. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 14:24:32 GMT
its actually the other way around sheepy. Yousaf is playing to the gallery while labour are the ones caught like a rabbit in headlights trying to face two ways to appease public opinion on the eu which is as you know different in the two countries. You think? but you have constantly told them the Scots are miffed because we left the EU, suddenly SNP voters are flocking their way. While the remainers are all over the internet saying they are Labour or Lib Dem voters and how they have been wronged. You can forget about any kind of independence once they have taken us back into the EU you can bet on that. i know but what im talking about is looking at the politics , and taking a step back from your personal views on the EU. Yousaf is playing to the gallery in scotland , while poor auld starmer cant because he is trying to play to the gallery in england and hopes that the folk there believe him when he says he will make "brexit work".
It highlights the problem for labour now in reality since the reconvening of the scottish parliament and devolution. Trying to face both ways across the border and failing miserably .
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Post by om15 on Sept 3, 2023 14:33:25 GMT
I would have thought that an independent Scotland under the leadership of Yousaf and within the European Union would be a devastating and bleak place to be, but if you feel that would be better than being part of the United Kingdom then crack on and good luck.
I read earlier today that the EU is running out of money, they would welcome you (and your oil) with open arms, careful what you wish for.
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Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 15:22:58 GMT
I would have thought that an independent Scotland under the leadership of Yousaf and within the European Union would be a devastating and bleak place to be, but if you feel that would be better than being part of the United Kingdom then crack on and good luck. I read earlier today that the EU is running out of money, they would welcome you (and your oil) with open arms, careful what you wish for. om we know all this mate. You have been telling us scots for the last 8 years if not more that the EU is bad and we scots musnt support them. The majority dont agree with you.
The point is the politics behind what yousaf is doing as i explained up the thread , and the stuck between a rock and a hard place labour find themsleves in trying to twist themselves in knots playing to the various galleries in scotland and england.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 17:20:49 GMT
its actually the other way around sheepy. Yousaf is playing to the gallery while labour are the ones caught like a rabbit in headlights trying to face two ways to appease public opinion on the eu which is as you know different in the two countries. You think? but you have constantly told them the Scots are miffed because we left the EU, suddenly SNP voters are flocking their way. While the remainers are all over the internet saying they are Labour or Lib Dem voters and how they have been wronged. You can forget about any kind of independence once they have taken us back into the EU you can bet on that. They don't want independence. They want to destroy the UK and be controlled by the EU. They are EU marches. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 3, 2023 17:22:04 GMT
Right now, the argument for being members has never been weaker. The EU is in a state of flux, going through a treaty change procedure that may well take the entire decade to resolve. We do not know what it will become, whether it will become more democratic or less. But right now, if we went back in, we would not get opt outs, vetoes or a rebate. The terms would be different to those we had. We would lose our new free trade agreements. We would lose our currency. We would lose our independence and return to a political strait jacket and for what? Our trade with the EU is worth more now (inflation adjusted) than it was before the referendum. Brexit is working. The French are now resolving customs issues at Calais. Let them be them and let the UK stay independent. Correct.
But we have the sheeple, the useful idiots, the people who want to submit to ever greater state control becuase they think that they are gaining some sort of "Freedom" becuase they won't have passport controls anymore. Or something.
These people are fools. But then, as Goethe said: "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2023 10:32:56 GMT
It's such a shame for some Scots that they don't get a vote on whether to be in the EU other than part of the UK vote on Brexit. Those sensible people in Wales and England were in the majority wanting to leave the EU in 2016 and that's what has happened. Well, almost. |
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