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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 4, 2023 18:33:47 GMT
When in 1978 Thatcher was asked during a TV interview what she would do if the miners went on strike and tried to bring down the government, as they did with Edward Heath, her reply was: "Well! One doesn't apply one's Final Solution until one's tried everything else!" Her supporters reacted favourably to this comment. Now ... if the question had been about boat people coming here by the tens of thousands ... ? As for the Ethiopian famine she said: "I heartily agree that something should be done about it ... but who's going to pay for it?" A thought has just occurred to me ... all those mines she closed ... plenty of space to house illegal immigrants! Labour closed more uneconomical coal mines before Thatcher became PM, many were closed because they had fallen into disrepair during the long miners strike they were not maintained and too expensive to put back into use, even if that had been done, the mines could not compete with cheaper coal from abroad, many of our factories had removed coal burning boilers and changed to more efficient oil fed boilers. The demand for coal had fallen over the years , Trains no longer ran on coal, homes were no longer heated by coal fires That's very true, Labour did indeed close more pits than the Tories, but there's little doubt Thatcher wanted to crush the miners union. The NUM beat Ted Heath, she was determined they weren't going to beat her and tbf she used some pretty underhand tactics. Which is why I am absolutely convinced that Thatcher would have stopped the illegal invasion, in-fact she wouldn't have needed to stop it because it wouldn't have started. The Frogs were as frightened of Thatcher as the Labour party or the Argies were. She had something modern politicians lack. Balls. Large hairy testosterone filled balls.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 4, 2023 19:05:36 GMT
I agree Thatcher knew full well they miners would try and bring her down she was ready for them even had stockpiled coal in anticipation, yes I think she may well have stopped the boats arriving , best PM we have ever had after Churchill IMHO she had nerves of steel
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 10:07:44 GMT
If you believe Thatcher would have stopped the boats, how do you think she would have done it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 13:14:09 GMT
If you believe Thatcher would have stopped the boats, how do you think she would have done it? With her handbag.
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 7, 2023 14:04:05 GMT
If you believe Thatcher would have stopped the boats, how do you think she would have done it? HMS Conqueror?
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 7, 2023 17:58:38 GMT
If you believe Thatcher would have stopped the boats, how do you think she would have done it? By physically stopping boats entering UK territorial waters as under international law any government with a contiguous zone is lawfully entitled to do, as Australia successfully demonstrated. As I have said before, the problem we have today is not illegals crossing the channel, the problem is weak pro EU politicians who are frightened to implement international law.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2023 6:34:53 GMT
Thatcher would not have needed to stop the boats, there would have been none.
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 9, 2023 0:54:31 GMT
Short of machine-gunning the boats out of the water it is impossible to stop them.
They have a right to seek asylum in any country they choose. We could pull out of the 1951 Refugee Convention... but our international reputation would take a serious hit.
Global warming is going to push everybody North into Europe... it is unstoppable.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 9, 2023 9:27:37 GMT
Short of machine-gunning the boats out of the water it is impossible to stop them. They have a right to seek asylum in any country they choose. We could pull out of the 1951 Refugee Convention... but our international reputation would take a serious hit. Global warming is going to push everybody North into Europe... it is unstoppable. That's rubbish, you are factually wrong. Why on earth you think it's 'impossible' to stop a dingy is a mystery to me. This is exactly the sort of thing the Royal Marines and indeed elements of the army routinely train for, and trust me they wouldn't need 'machine guns', but what they would need is for weak politicians to grow a pair. It beggars belief that some people think we should virtuously cling to legislation penned 70 years ago in the shadow of WW2, it's madness. People who pay traffickers to get them from the safe EU state of France to England are not refugees or asylum seekers, they're criminals and the insane things is, everyone knows that. United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
SECTION 4. Article 33. 1. In a zone contiguous to its territorial sea, described as the contiguous zone, the coastal State may exercise the control necessary to: (a) prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea; (b) punish infringement of the above laws and regulations committed within its territory or territorial sea. 2. The contiguous zone may not extend beyond 24 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. If Sunak suddenly found a pair of balls and decided to stop illegals entering UK territorial waters, international law would be on his side. If Macron refused to cooperate and ignored international law, which of course he would, that would be for the UN, EU and France to sort out. The illegal invasion could be stopped today. The reason it wont be is because of weak duplicitous politicians on both sides of the Channel. Oh and btw, 'global warming' has been debunked, like all the other eco disasters that never happened, it was a myth. Which is why the climate industry came up with 'climate change'. Anything to keep the money rolling in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2023 9:35:57 GMT
Short of machine-gunning the boats out of the water it is impossible to stop them. They have a right to seek asylum in any country they choose. We could pull out of the 1951 Refugee Convention... but our international reputation would take a serious hit. Global warming is going to push everybody North into Europe... it is unstoppable. That's rubbish, you are factually wrong. Why on earth you think it's 'impossible' to stop a dingy is a mystery to me. This is exactly the sort of thing the Royal Marines and indeed elements of the army routinely train for, and trust me they wouldn't need 'machine guns', but what they would need is for weak politicians to grow a pair. It beggars belief that some people think we should virtuously cling to legislation penned 70 years ago in the shadow of WW2, it's madness. People who pay traffickers to get them from the safe EU state of France to England are not refugees or asylum seekers, they're criminals and the insane things is, everyone knows that. United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
SECTION 4. Article 33. 1. In a zone contiguous to its territorial sea, described as the contiguous zone, the coastal State may exercise the control necessary to: (a) prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea; (b) punish infringement of the above laws and regulations committed within its territory or territorial sea. 2. The contiguous zone may not extend beyond 24 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. If Sunak suddenly found a pair of balls and decided to stop illegals entering UK territorial waters, international law would be on his side. If Macron refused to cooperate and ignored international law, which of course he would, that would be for the UN, EU and France to sort out. The illegal invasion could be stopped today. The reason it wont be is because of weak duplicitous politicians on both sides of the Channel. Oh and btw, 'global warming' has been debunked, like all the other eco disasters that never happened, it was a myth. Which is why the climate industry came up with 'climate change'. Anything to keep the money rolling in. We should also 'sack' the ten commandments.🤣
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 9, 2023 10:18:27 GMT
Habeas Corpus next please. Bloody human rights get in the way of good strong governance. If a country can't even unlawfully imprison it own citizens then sovereignty is meaningless.
BREXIT MEANS BREXIT.
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Post by dodgydave on Sept 10, 2023 23:53:47 GMT
Short of machine-gunning the boats out of the water it is impossible to stop them. They have a right to seek asylum in any country they choose. We could pull out of the 1951 Refugee Convention... but our international reputation would take a serious hit. Global warming is going to push everybody North into Europe... it is unstoppable. That's rubbish, you are factually wrong. Why on earth you think it's 'impossible' to stop a dingy is a mystery to me. This is exactly the sort of thing the Royal Marines and indeed elements of the army routinely train for, and trust me they wouldn't need 'machine guns', but what they would need is for weak politicians to grow a pair. It beggars belief that some people think we should virtuously cling to legislation penned 70 years ago in the shadow of WW2, it's madness. People who pay traffickers to get them from the safe EU state of France to England are not refugees or asylum seekers, they're criminals and the insane things is, everyone knows that. United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
SECTION 4. Article 33. 1. In a zone contiguous to its territorial sea, described as the contiguous zone, the coastal State may exercise the control necessary to: (a) prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea; (b) punish infringement of the above laws and regulations committed within its territory or territorial sea. 2. The contiguous zone may not extend beyond 24 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. If Sunak suddenly found a pair of balls and decided to stop illegals entering UK territorial waters, international law would be on his side. If Macron refused to cooperate and ignored international law, which of course he would, that would be for the UN, EU and France to sort out. The illegal invasion could be stopped today. The reason it wont be is because of weak duplicitous politicians on both sides of the Channel. Oh and btw, 'global warming' has been debunked, like all the other eco disasters that never happened, it was a myth. Which is why the climate industry came up with 'climate change'. Anything to keep the money rolling in. I hate to break it you, but we do not live under a dictatorship, the PM cannot do what the fuck he likes lol. His actions can be challenged via the INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY. Quoting one piece of law and ignoring the others we are obligated to follow is over simplifying the matter. Think what you are saying, Sunak could do what you are suggesting, or steer the Tories towards decades of political wildness and he is choosing the latter. As are the rest of Europe's leaders. I don't know about growing balls, you need to grow some brain cells lol.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 11, 2023 9:31:51 GMT
That's rubbish, you are factually wrong. Why on earth you think it's 'impossible' to stop a dingy is a mystery to me. This is exactly the sort of thing the Royal Marines and indeed elements of the army routinely train for, and trust me they wouldn't need 'machine guns', but what they would need is for weak politicians to grow a pair. It beggars belief that some people think we should virtuously cling to legislation penned 70 years ago in the shadow of WW2, it's madness. People who pay traffickers to get them from the safe EU state of France to England are not refugees or asylum seekers, they're criminals and the insane things is, everyone knows that. United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea.
SECTION 4. Article 33. 1. In a zone contiguous to its territorial sea, described as the contiguous zone, the coastal State may exercise the control necessary to: (a) prevent infringement of its customs, fiscal, immigration or sanitary laws and regulations within its territory or territorial sea; (b) punish infringement of the above laws and regulations committed within its territory or territorial sea. 2. The contiguous zone may not extend beyond 24 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured. If Sunak suddenly found a pair of balls and decided to stop illegals entering UK territorial waters, international law would be on his side. If Macron refused to cooperate and ignored international law, which of course he would, that would be for the UN, EU and France to sort out. The illegal invasion could be stopped today. The reason it wont be is because of weak duplicitous politicians on both sides of the Channel. Oh and btw, 'global warming' has been debunked, like all the other eco disasters that never happened, it was a myth. Which is why the climate industry came up with 'climate change'. Anything to keep the money rolling in. I hate to break it you, but we do not live under a dictatorship, the PM cannot do what the fuck he likes lol. His actions can be challenged via the INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY. Quoting one piece of law and ignoring the others we are obligated to follow is over simplifying the matter. Think what you are saying, Sunak could do what you are suggesting, or steer the Tories towards decades of political wildness and he is choosing the latter. As are the rest of Europe's leaders. I don't know about growing balls, you need to grow some brain cells lol. Essentially that's ^ waffle. If Sunak invoked international law he would not be "doing what the fuck he likes". The government, any government, can invoke international law and/or alter, amend or withdraw from any existing law/s. Laws are introduced altered amended and repealed all the time. In spite of what you obviously think, man made laws are not is set in stone. You mention "the rest of Europe's leaders", who exactly are you talking about? Europe is governed by a cabal of unelected commissioners who sit behind closed doors in Brussels, these people are are the architects of the almighty cock up that is mass European immigration. Are you aware the EU imposed immigration quotas on every EU state and threatened huge fines for any state who refused? Perhaps this is why the EU are turning a blind eye to hundreds of thousands of illegals who are fleeing the safe state of France for England. Which is why Sunak should, and with a sense of urgency, invoke UN law to stop the illegal invasion which is a clear threat to this country. Now, you need to get your head out of your EU/minority appeasing arse so you are better able to see what the fuck is going on.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 11, 2023 9:56:19 GMT
Very doubtful I would have have thought. One of the very first decisions of the new Thatcher government on coming into office in 1979 was to sanction the admittance of 10,000 Vietnamese boat-people. She let legitimate refugees in, not illegitimate refugees.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 10:26:59 GMT
Very doubtful I would have have thought. One of the very first decisions of the new Thatcher government on coming into office in 1979 was to sanction the admittance of 10,000 Vietnamese boat-people. She let legitimate refugees in, not illegitimate refugees. No such thing as an illegitimate refugee. You mean asylum seekers that travelled by irregular routes.
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