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Sept 1, 2023 7:45:23 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 1, 2023 7:45:23 GMT
If privatisation killed people then most of Europe would be dead..
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Sept 3, 2023 7:03:53 GMT
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Sept 3, 2023 7:03:53 GMT
Two thirds of the UK population are overweight. This will lead to a year by year increase in "Excess deaths". Should we renew the early 1990s "campaign" that was telling patients that they would be refused treatment if they didn't make an effort to lose weight? Should we allow GPs to remove patients from their lists if they don't make an effort to lose weight? (As was happening in the early 90s). Since then there has been a 100% increase in the nation's "weight problem". The "fatties" are taking over! Maybe we'll end up like Nauru (a Pacific island Nation) where 95% of the adults are overweight?
In 1980 obesity was 6% (and there was talk of an "Obesity crisis"). In 1993 it was 13% (and GPs and hospitals were "bullying" patients to lose weight). Now its over 30%.
The nation's "weight problem" has noticeably spread to hospital staff. On more than one occasion I've been confronted by a morbidly obese senior nurse ... three times my weight!
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NHS
Sept 3, 2023 7:10:18 GMT
Post by Cartertonian on Sept 3, 2023 7:10:18 GMT
Aside from Dr Goyal's Twitter/X histrionics...
The first duty of any private company, in law, is not to provide whatever service it is contracted to provide, but to make money for its shareholders.
Why should any public service, be it health, education, defence and security or whatever, have to have a proportion of its funding syphoned off to pay dividends to investors?
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Sept 3, 2023 7:12:11 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 3, 2023 7:12:11 GMT
So you are going to start making your own medicines and MRI scanners?..
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Sept 3, 2023 11:39:27 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 11:39:27 GMT
Why am I opposed to private companies / partial privatisation in our NHS
The NHS was born out of a post war era where people joined savings clubs in case they needed a doctor, and where many poorer people were frightend of becoming ill. There was no community health, no district nurses or midwives and no school nurses.
The idea was that a state owned National Health Service would provide health care for all, for poor and rich, and from the cradle to the grave, free at the point of care, paid for by employee contributions.
A classic example of privatised health care is the local "GP Centre" where doctors are not employed by the NHS, instead they are self employed, and the GP Centre is not owned by the NHS, but instead owned by the "Group Practice".
Essentialy these are private businesses who are paid Per Patient and Per Consultation
The question is this : ARE THESE GROUP PRACTICES FOCUSED ON MAKING MONEY - OR - ARE THEY FOCUSED ON PROVIDING HEALTH CARE. ?
At my local Group Practice its extremely difficult te get to speak to anyone on a telephone, the system is automated to save money.
At my local Group Practice, its hard to get an appointment, the average wait time is two to three weeks
At my local Group Practice, they persuade you to have a consultation over the telephone, or perhaps by video link to a GP from a private company called "Push Doctors".
At my local Group Practice, you no longer have YOUR doctor, you see whoever might be available, usually a practice nurse as opposed to a GP, and if you do see a GP, the appointment is time limited.
The entire feel about the local Group Practice is that its all about time and money, YOU are not important, YOU feel like a nuisance, and you are told what you can, and cannot do, you are herded, take it or leave it attitude.
Todays GPs at a Group Practice may refer you to another private enterprise, such as "New Medica" a chain of eye clinics owned by the same family who own SpecSavers, Doug and Mary Perkins are amongst the richest people in the country.
To what benefit ( unseen or known ) do self employed GPs get from refering patients to particular private enterprises, is it true to say that where theres money to be made, theres always the possibility of corruption.
WHY has profit got to be an ingredient of what is supposed to be a public service ?
Would a private company employed to clean a hospital, cut corners in order to become more efficient - efficient often meaning "more profitable".
The bottom line is that in an essential, frontline public service, no one should be profiting, and it certainly makes for a worse service.
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Sept 3, 2023 11:53:26 GMT
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Post by om15 on Sept 3, 2023 11:53:26 GMT
Couldn't be any worse than the NHS, in the past few years I have used a mixture of NHS and paying for private treatment, the NHS is rubbish, staffed by people who couldn't give a fuck and everything does not go to plan, my private treatment goes like clockwork, on time, treated properly and there are no Pride flags draped everywhere.
Forget politics, the 1950s and free everything, if you want to live then go private, the NHS simply just doesn't work.
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Sept 3, 2023 11:56:56 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Sept 3, 2023 11:56:56 GMT
The bottom line is that in an essential, frontline public service, no one should be profiting, and it certainly makes for a worse service.Maybe you should ask blair what the bottom line is? He privatised many NHS hospitals.
Tony Blair today welcomed 11 private healthcare providers into the "NHS family", as he promised them the chance to gain a stronger foothold in the NHS.
Predicting that the private sector would soon provide up to 40% of NHS operations, Mr Blair said the independent providers could help drive up the quality of service to patients which he said was the "most important thing".
"By 2008 we could have as much as 40% of acute operations done in the private sector being done under the NHS banner," he told health bosses.
Mr Blair's praise for the private sector came as he and the health secretary, Patricia Hewitt, held a Downing Street summit with the newly launched NHS Partners Network, a loose alliance of private sector and not-for-profit healthcare companies delivering the first wave of independent sector treatment centres (ISTCs).
The network, made up of 11 partners from key providers including Bupa, today pledged in a signed document their shared interest as partners in ensuring the "future success" of the NHS.
EDIT.....Privatisation Timeline..
1997 Tony Blair (New Labour) dumps Labour’s tradition of support for public service and opts for privatisation and deregulation, funding 100 new NHS hospitals with PFIs. In total, approximately £12.7 billion is borrowed, with repayments reaching over £80 billion. Even when fully repaid, the public won’t own the hospitals! PFIs enable a covert bed closure program to shrink NHS capacity, and a future land grab. As the costs of paying off debts rise, NHS trusts will be forced to sell assets. Oliver Letwin becomes a Conservative MP to action his NHS privatisation manual.
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Sept 3, 2023 12:05:32 GMT
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Post by Handyman on Sept 3, 2023 12:05:32 GMT
Wife and I have had Private Medical Insurance for well over 30 years it is now cheaper than ever, when we have needed to use it we get seen very quickly assessed and if surgery is required done and dusted within two or three weeks, we have very little faith in the NHS these day, badly run and very costly
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Sept 3, 2023 12:08:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 12:08:13 GMT
It was Tony Blair who was chiefly responsible for partial privatisation of GP Practices, and I did not agree with it then, and I do not agree with it now.
I am pleased that Keir Starmer is now talking about ending the self employed status of NHS GPs, I just hope that if he becomes PM, he will bring GPs back into full NHS control.
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Sept 3, 2023 12:30:54 GMT
Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 12:30:54 GMT
Why am I opposed to private companies / partial privatisation in our NHS so why do you support new labour when keir starmer and wes streeting are key supporters of nhs privatisation?
UK: Starmer pledges Labour’s support for NHS privatisation
Sir Keir Starmer has publicly committed the Labour Party to the further privatisation of the National Health Service (NHS).
Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, the house organ of the ruling Conservative Party, Starmer declared in an op-ep that nothing was “off limits” when it came to the NHS. It should not be “treated as a shrine”, he said, repeating the formula employed earlier by his Shadow Health Secretary Wes Streeting.
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Sept 3, 2023 12:33:52 GMT
Post by thomas on Sept 3, 2023 12:33:52 GMT
It was Tony Blair who was chiefly responsible for partial privatisation of GP Practices, and I did not agree with it then, and I do not agree with it now. I am pleased that Keir Starmer is now talking about ending the self employed status of NHS GPs, I just hope that if he becomes PM, he will bring GPs back into full NHS control. Wes Streeting: we need the private sector to help reform the NHS
Keir Starmer scraps pledge to end NHS private sector outsourcing
Labour left-wingers said members had "gotten used to Keir Starmer breaking his word" and offering them "reheated Blairism".
It comes after Sir Keir's shadow health secretary Wes Streeting in January this year said a Labour government would make more use of private providers – apparently contradicting the leader's earlier promise
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Sept 3, 2023 15:44:34 GMT
Post by Pacifico on Sept 3, 2023 15:44:34 GMT
In 2022, the UK spent 11.3% of GDP on healthcare – about the same as Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands and Belgium, and well above the EU and the OECD average.
The NHS is also one of the least privatised health systems in the developed world. The private sector only accounts for one tenth of the UK hospital sector, compared to 30% in Austria, 38% in France, 60% in Germany, 72% in Belgium, and 100% in Norway and the Netherlands. If it really does make for a worse service somebody needs to let Europe know..
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Sept 3, 2023 21:56:12 GMT
Post by sheepy on Sept 3, 2023 21:56:12 GMT
It is fairly easy to work out how the NHS has ended up in such a mess, politics is the simple answer.
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Sept 4, 2023 0:06:44 GMT
Post by dodgydave on Sept 4, 2023 0:06:44 GMT
It was Tony Blair who was chiefly responsible for partial privatisation of GP Practices, and I did not agree with it then, and I do not agree with it now. I am pleased that Keir Starmer is now talking about ending the self employed status of NHS GPs, I just hope that if he becomes PM, he will bring GPs back into full NHS control. GPs have been private since 1948. 'NHS' GPs, Dentists, Opticians, Pharmacists are actually contractors, not employees of the NHS. Tony Blair had to open up parts of the NHS to meet EU rules. Ironically, if we were still part of the EU we couldn't "renationalise" our railways as they have to be open to competition.
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Sept 4, 2023 5:32:20 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Sept 4, 2023 5:32:20 GMT
Ironically, if we were still part of the EU we couldn't "renationalise" our railways as they have to be open to competition. So the government didn't take back the East Coast Mainline in 2018 while we were still members of the EU then?
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