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Post by wapentake on Aug 29, 2023 18:39:07 GMT
Then a tsunami.
Touched on this a few times.
Was watching the news and yet again it’s migrants and now Italy complaining.
Migrants being interviewed some sad stories but many fleeing poverty and the interviewer saying attitudes in Europe hardening,I’m of the opinion the movement of people will number millions.
Am I a racist? No a realist and don’t blame people for looking for a better life but if I am correct some hard decisions will need to be made.
So the question is and assuming the worst what do we do?
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Post by Montegriffo on Aug 29, 2023 18:44:15 GMT
Oh goody, another thread on immigration.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 29, 2023 18:47:33 GMT
Oh goody, another thread on immigration. Politicians won't do a thing unless enough people kick off and they realise it really is a crisis. |
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Post by Steve on Aug 29, 2023 18:49:21 GMT
Oh goody, another thread on immigration. Well why not move the posts into a pre-existing one? |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 29, 2023 18:51:49 GMT
Oh goody, another thread on immigration. So it’s not a lead on the evening news and not the UK,if you feel like that you didn’t have to reply though next time you mention eating bugs.  You did note it was the Italians who are complaining or do you think they made it up? |
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Post by Steve on Aug 29, 2023 18:52:06 GMT
. . .Am I a racist? . . . Certainly not on anything in that post We and others have to be removing the net incentives. Asylum doesn't have to equal living in equal terms with those in the countries that seem most desirable to them |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 29, 2023 18:59:12 GMT
. . .Am I a racist? . . . Certainly not on anything in that post We and others have to be removing the net incentives. Asylum doesn't have to equal living in equal terms with those in the countries that seem most desirable to them I base what I predict on population levels,the have nots wanting more then add in to the mix war,famine and climate. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 29, 2023 19:12:44 GMT
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Post by Steve on Aug 29, 2023 19:46:17 GMT
Certainly not on anything in that post We and others have to be removing the net incentives. Asylum doesn't have to equal living in equal terms with those in the countries that seem most desirable to them I base what I predict on population levels,the have nots wanting more then add in to the mix war,famine and climate. And unless we remove the incentives those numbers will do exactly what you say. That's why we have to start slinging irregular migrants into secure camps. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2023 14:33:15 GMT
What we cannot do
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Refuse to accept asylum seekers
incacerate asylum seekers as though ther are criminals
send Syrians or Afghans or Iranians to France
renege on our international obligations and treaties
What we can do
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refuse to accept applications from applicants from any country deemed safe, democratic and where human rights are properly observed and upheld, and where there are no wars or disasters including Albania.
Speed of the application process, employ more staff, better train the staff
Open up an asylum processing centre in Calais
Work with the EU, UN and others to improve life and conditions in refugee campa in Turkey and other places
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Post by jonksy on Aug 30, 2023 14:36:53 GMT
What we cannot do ----------------- Refuse to accept asylum seekers incacerate asylum seekers as though ther are criminals send Syrians or Afghans or Iranians to France renege on our international obligations and treaties What we can do -------------- refuse to accept applications from applicants from any country deemed safe, democratic and where human rights are properly observed and upheld, and where there are no wars or disasters including Albania. Speed of the application process, employ more staff, better train the staff Open up an asylum processing centre in Calais Work with the EU, UN and others to improve life and conditions in refugee campa in Turkey and other places The UK already work with the EUSSR. How much have the UK handed to the French to stop this Influx? And as for the UN that is another fucking waste of space that has acheived nothing apart from corruption on their own part. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 30, 2023 14:39:40 GMT
What we cannot do ----------------- Refuse to accept asylum seekers incacerate asylum seekers as though ther are criminals send Syrians or Afghans or Iranians to France renege on our international obligations and treaties What we can do -------------- refuse to accept applications from applicants from any country deemed safe, democratic and where human rights are properly observed and upheld, and where there are no wars or disasters including Albania. Speed of the application process, employ more staff, better train the staff Open up an asylum processing centre in Calais Work with the EU, UN and others to improve life and conditions in refugee campa in Turkey and other places So we send them back to France “refuse to accept applications from applicants from any country deemed safe, democratic and where human rights are properly observed and upheld, and where there are no wars or disasters including Albania.” .Well the ones who came through France anyway. However, you do bring up a good point . We could open up an asylum processing centre in Calais and refuse asylum to ‘asylum seeking ‘ migrant that enters the Uk any other way . Especially by paying criminal gangs . Trouble is that France would not cooperate. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 30, 2023 14:43:45 GMT
Italy the home of the Pope the Vatican , not very charitable of them refusing migrants, and even less charitable those who do get through they send them packing on their way to the UK.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 30, 2023 14:49:31 GMT
The Uk is an easy target . We can’t pass them on.
The better we treat migrants, the more will come .
The key is to put them in a position where they are better off staying in mainland Europe.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 30, 2023 14:53:41 GMT
The Uk is an easy target . We can’t pass them on. The better we treat migrants, the more will come . The key is to put them in a position where they are better off staying in mainland Europe. Yes, when we left the EU we could ditch some of those rules that made it even more attractive to head to the UK, we are no longer in the EU so we don't need to abide by most of those rules.
We should be making rules that discourage them from the UK in favour of EU, the EU have tied themselves up with FoM well if they want Freedom to move around let's keep it within the EU states, because the UK no longer has to play ball.
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