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Post by oracle75 on Aug 25, 2023 18:59:40 GMT
Bit lost actually, but I assume that this is some sort of gripe about adverts ?
I quite like them. The other day I was thinking sod it, I need to prune the pear tree, which I was not looking forward too because my loppers are well buggered. So I logged onto the internet and there were a thousand adds with folk declaring that various brands had transformed not only their fruit trees, but their very lives. All bollocks I dare say, but it cheered me up regardless  It is a conversation about algorithms. Please read the OP. It helps to know what is going on. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 25, 2023 19:02:28 GMT
When you use your device to take part in social media and click "like" or comment positively to a point of view, it registers just like you h1ve ordered an air frier on line and you get dozens of ad for air friers in your inbox. If you indicate interest in a particular opinion you will get your inbox full of niche amateur links and videos supporting that point of view. Very soon your whole reality is couched in that reality. You are brainwashed by algorithms. You dont see any other perspective. In my opinion, this is very dangerous for the average punter. In the same manner as their rush to ban things they dont like, including international law, algorithms should be banned. Unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle.
It's not just social media, it's your entire search and surfing history. Your every article read, every purchase and every click is being logged. All of ours are and we are all having our personal preferences fed back to us.
So before you rush headlong to the assumption that everyone who disagrees with you has been brainwashed, what controls have you put in place to ensure that it's not you?
I am discussing how dangerous algorithms can be. Not about me or you or anyone in particular. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 25, 2023 19:06:04 GMT
When you use your device to take part in social media and click "like" or comment positively to a point of view, it registers just like you h1ve ordered an air frier on line and you get dozens of ad for air friers in your inbox. If you indicate interest in a particular opinion you will get your inbox full of niche amateur links and videos supporting that point of view. Very soon your whole reality is couched in that reality. You are brainwashed by algorithms. You dont see any other perspective. In my opinion, this is very dangerous for the average punter. In the same manner as their rush to ban things they dont like, including international law, algorithms should be banned. Unfortunately the genie is out of the bottle. I suggest 'the average punter' is far smarter than you give them credit for. Yes we get bombarded with targeted ads etc but brainwashed? Nah, I (and I suspect billions of others) Thjust blank them out Theyvwork by making your suggested views and highlighted items accord with yoir ppint of view. Bias confirmation. Eirher ignore it all, stop "liking" posts and videos or dont use social media at all. Most peoole like to be patted on the head. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 25, 2023 19:06:57 GMT
I am discussing how dangerous algorithms can be. Not about me or you or anyone in particular. But you seem to be assuming that no one else has noticed this well-known phenomenon. As I said: ...before you rush headlong to the assumption that everyone who disagrees with you has been brainwashed, what controls have you put in place to ensure that it's not you? |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 25, 2023 19:34:07 GMT
If you dont find it interesting, keep your fingers off keyboard.
AND STOP TRYING TO KILL THE THREAD WITH PERSONAL COMMENTS.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 25, 2023 19:43:54 GMT
Personal comments? I'm being perfectly polite. But let's be honest for a moment, shall we? You have a long history of posting on a subject which, if you are to be believed, doesn't actually affect you personally. And, let's be honest again, your tone in so posting is hardly suggestive of concern for those that you apparently do consider to be adversely affected by it. By any objective measure, that's a strangely obsessional stance. So, as I said: ...before you rush headlong to the assumption that everyone who disagrees with you has been brainwashed, what controls have you put in place to ensure that it's not you? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Aug 25, 2023 19:52:08 GMT
Personal comments? I'm being perfectly polite. But let's be honest for a moment, shall we? You have a long history of posting on a subject which, if you are to be believed, doesn't actually affect you personally. And, let's be honest again, your tone in so posting is hardly suggestive of concern for those that you apparently do consider to be adversely affected by it. By any objective measure, that's a strangely obsessional stance. So, as I said: ...before you rush headlong to the assumption that everyone who disagrees with you has been brainwashed, what controls have you put in place to ensure that it's not you? The OP has asked you to stick to the subject and not try to make it about them. The polite thing to do is respect that request not ignore it and repeat the same personal question. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 25, 2023 19:58:46 GMT
It's a perfectly valid question within the frame of the debate.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 25, 2023 20:05:30 GMT
I suggest 'the average punter' is far smarter than you give them credit for. Yes we get bombarded with targeted ads etc but brainwashed? Nah, I (and I suspect billions of others) Thjust blank them out Theyvwork by making your suggested views and highlighted items accord with yoir ppint of view. Bias confirmation. Eirher ignore it all, stop "liking" posts and videos or dont use social media at all. Most peoole like to be patted on the head. And, as I said above: It's not just social media - it's everything on the net.
Even the ads at the bottom of this page relate to things I've searched recently.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 25, 2023 20:32:00 GMT
Theyvwork by making your suggested views and highlighted items accord with yoir ppint of view. Bias confirmation. Eirher ignore it all, stop "liking" posts and videos or dont use social media at all. Most peoole like to be patted on the head. And, as I said above: It's not just social media - it's everything on the net.
Even the ads at the bottom of this page relate to things I've searched recently.
Indeed it is. Using google , cookies from sites and ( allegedly) devices like Alexa allow personal info to be harvested and influence what subjects you are exposed to. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 20:53:49 GMT
I am discussing how dangerous algorithms can be. Not about me or you or anyone in particular.
As I said: ...before you rush headlong to the assumption that everyone who disagrees with you has been brainwashed, what controls have you put in place to ensure that it's not you? I have books on the subject going back years. I would say a lot of the fear that has grown out of this paranoia has created a panopticon effect, which is probably part of the design. Still, it only takes one bad government to take advantage. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 26, 2023 9:16:56 GMT
Frankly it makes me uncomfortable to think that some artificial
Intelligence is selecting what is presented to me on my device.
Yes i go elsewhere for balance and the back story but the potential for political brainwashing is getting worse.
And no i did not say the process is previously unknown. I merely highlighted it as potentially dangerous.
It was however relatively unknown before 2016 and no one had heard of Cambridge Analytica.
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Post by Orac on Aug 26, 2023 9:40:31 GMT
Frankly it makes me uncomfortable to think that some artificial Intelligence is selecting what is presented to me on my device. Yes i go elsewhere for balance and the back story but the potential for political brainwashing is getting worse. AI is going to go through us like a dose of salts. In a sense, the population has already been solidly prepared for the mind-space onslaught to come. There is no social cohesion, little left of familial structure and the values and principles that would act as a block have all been systematically discredited in the minds of our young - in short our society has been dismantled and is unlikely to put up much of a collective psychological struggle. We have all got used to the notion that (say) major platforms like google can and should intervene to restrict us in a partisan fashion and so there can't even really be a conversation about mounting a struggle. We are strapped into the mind control machine, sedated and waiting for the switch to be turned on. An AI will likely be able to analyse a person's style of reasoning / conclusion gathering and tailor an argument for a position to that personal pattern of reasoning. It will be able to trap you by selecting the inconsistencies in your position that are useful. Someone with resources can perform this operation on millions of people simultaneously and control / manipulate an entire population by providing a tailored argument to each of those people. This argument will be presented to the victims via multiple vectors - human mimuicing online bots, advertising etc - all merged to one goal. Society is already significantly governed by AI, but i think the power of this control is about to rise very significantly. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 26, 2023 9:49:21 GMT
Frankly it makes me uncomfortable to think that some artificial Intelligence is selecting what is presented to me on my device. Yes i go elsewhere for balance and the back story but the potential for political brainwashing is getting worse. AI is going to go through us like a dose of salts. In a sense, the population has already been solidly prepared for the mind-space onslaught to come. There is no social cohesion, little left of familial structure and the values and principles that would act as a block have all been systematically discredited in the minds of our young - in short our society has been dismantled and is unlikely to put up much of a collective psychological struggle. We have all got used to the notion that (say) major platforms like google can and should intervene to restrict us in a partisan fashion and so there can't even really be a conversation about mounting a struggle. We are strapped into the mind control machine, sedated and waiting for the switch to be turned on. An AI will likely be able to analyse a person's style of reasoning / conclusion gathering and tailor an argument for a position to that personal pattern of reasoning. It will be able to trap you by selecting the inconsistencies in your position that are useful. Someone with resources can perform this operation on millions of people simultaneously and control / manipulate an entire population by providing a tailored argument to each of those people. This argument will be presented to the victims via multiple vectors - human mimuicing online bots, advertising etc - all merged to one goal. Society is already significantly governed by AI, but i think the power of this control is about to rise very significantly. I still have great fun sending it circles, I was howling yesterday, when a certain poster was astounded he couldn't match a google search. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 26, 2023 10:51:46 GMT
Orac, i am getting happier and happier to avoid the future you describe.
The saying " I'd rather be dead" is quite right. .
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