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Post by sheepy on Aug 23, 2023 9:36:23 GMT
Well put Andrew, we wouldn't want to upset the apple cart, although it might lead to PTSD. Do you have any evidence of a link between vaccines and excess deaths? I've not seen any. Who moi? no none at all obviously because if I did I might have shown it many times, I might have to rely on some of the greatest brains in the world being attacked by mass stupidity, so in that case crack on then. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 23, 2023 9:46:07 GMT
Well put Andrew, we wouldn't want to upset the apple cart, although it might lead to PTSD. Do you have any evidence of a link between vaccines and excess deaths? I've not seen any. According to the statistical model, 11 out of the 15 cardiac deaths in young women that occurred within 12 weeks of a first dose of a non-mRNA vaccine were likely to be linked to the vaccine; this corresponds to 6 cardiac-related deaths per 100,000 females vaccinated with at least a first dose of a non-mRNA vaccine.
By December 2021 UK had ordered more than 650m doses of eight vaccines (it has bought several vaccines prior to their approval). It has ordered most – 189m, around a third of the total – of the Pfizer vaccine
You work out the 'stats' Sherlock.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 10:02:31 GMT
Do you have any evidence of a link between vaccines and excess deaths? I've not seen any. Who moi? no none at all obviously because if I did I might have shown it many times, I might have to rely on some of the greatest brains in the world being attacked by mass stupidity, so in that case crack on then. They do say Occam's Razor is quite sharp. Sharper than the people being lied to, Andrew Bridgen could see it and got thrown out. I wonder why their isn't an in depth study of the increased deaths amongst the younger elements of the population, especially with respect to correlation with vaccines. Probably no money available for that, it's being spent on lawyers and lords doing an enquiry, isn't it? |
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Post by Steve on Aug 23, 2023 10:13:51 GMT
Only seems that way to complete loonies Here have just one of many articles on the matter fullfact.org/health/heart-attacks-covid/
'There’s no evidence vaccines have led to a rise in mortality, and they have actually prevented deaths from Covid-19.'
I see you've returned with your high level of debate skills. So you can't cope with a high quality reference showing your post to be utter rubbish. I make no apology for referring as 'loonies' to those that have net killed thousands with their idiot vaccine theories. You do know that publishing them here endangers the existence of this forum don't you. support.proboards.com/thread/661355/covid-19-global-health-emergency |
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Post by Steve on Aug 23, 2023 10:22:12 GMT
Do you have any evidence of a link between vaccines and excess deaths? I've not seen any. According to the statistical model, 11 out of the 15 cardiac deaths in young women that occurred within 12 weeks of a first dose of a non-mRNA vaccine were likely to be linked to the vaccine; this corresponds to 6 cardiac-related deaths per 100,000 females vaccinated with at least a first dose of a non-mRNA vaccine.
By December 2021 UK had ordered more than 650m doses of eight vaccines (it has bought several vaccines prior to their approval). It has ordered most – 189m, around a third of the total – of the Pfizer vaccine
You work out the 'stats' Sherlock.
So first of all let's post the link to that text: www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/riskofdeathfollowingcovid19vaccinationorpositivesarscov2testinyoungpeopleengland/8december2020to25may2022 And these points made in that link:
'There was no significant increase in cardiac or all-cause mortality in the 12 weeks following COVID-19 vaccination compared with more than 12 weeks after any dose for the study population as a whole.'
'A positive SARS-CoV-2 test was associated with increased cardiac and all-cause mortality among people; the risk was higher in those who were unvaccinated at time of testing than in those who were vaccinated.'No one needs to 'work out the 'stats' Sherlock' The ONS has already done it for you. Except for a very small number of highly special groups, vaccinations are much much lower risk than being non vaccinated. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 23, 2023 10:52:32 GMT
I see you've returned with your high level of debate skills. So you can't cope with a high quality reference showing your post to be utter rubbish. I make no apology for referring as 'loonies' to those that have net killed thousands with their idiot vaccine theories. You do know that publishing them here endangers the existence of this forum don't you. support.proboards.com/thread/661355/covid-19-global-health-emergency The return of Steve, the ever polite poster.
No intentions of replying to rude posters, please read the rules.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 11:00:11 GMT
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 23, 2023 11:03:52 GMT
He's only been back 5 minutes and already causing trouble, now he wants to dictate what you can post ..... his usual MO |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2023 11:07:11 GMT
Conspiracy Theories are a danger and a menace
There are thousands of scientists in this country who have at least SOME knowledge of Covid, immunology, virology, statistical science and probably hundreds who are very highly knowledgeable in Covid19.
Scientists for the most part are independent, and not controled or censured by the government ( This is not Russia ), most scientific professional bodies and organisations are independent, as are ALL scientific journals.
If there was any kind of evidence that the vaccine was killing far more people than the government was telling us, you would know about it, and it would be published in medical / scientific journals, and the story would be carried by mainstream media.
Ignore ANY such conspiracy unless it is supported with scientific evidence, from known or trusted scientists
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 23, 2023 11:12:30 GMT
Conspiracy Theories are a danger and a menaceThere are thousands of scientists in this country who have at least SOME knowledge of Covid, immunology, virology, statistical science and probably hundreds who are very highly knowledgeable in Covid19. Scientists for the most part are independent, and not controled or censured by the government ( This is not Russia ), most scientific professional bodies and organisations are independent, as are ALL scientific journals. If there was any kind of evidence that the vaccine was killing far more people than the government was telling us, you would know about it, and it would be published in medical / scientific journals, and the story would be carried by mainstream media. Ignore ANY such conspiracy unless it is supported with scientific evidence, from known or trusted scientists Explain how they are conspiracy theories when the BMJ have confirmed it?
Are you saying the BMJ are conspiracy theorists?
PS ^^ This is NOT misinformation, it is directly from the British Medical Journal, unless they are misinforming people, which I very much doubt.
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Post by Steve on Aug 23, 2023 11:20:13 GMT
Pro Board still have their notice and it still says 'Relying on accurate information is paramount to successfully overcoming this global pandemic. We will not tolerate the propagation of misinformation on our platform which could result in serious consequences for the public at large.'
So I see your 'keep up lad' and raise you a 'Pro Boards is the ultimate boss on this' |
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Post by Steve on Aug 23, 2023 11:21:34 GMT
So you can't cope with a high quality reference showing your post to be utter rubbish. I make no apology for referring as 'loonies' to those that have net killed thousands with their idiot vaccine theories. You do know that publishing them here endangers the existence of this forum don't you. support.proboards.com/thread/661355/covid-19-global-health-emergency The return of Steve, the ever polite poster.
No intentions of replying to rude posters, please read the rules.
Oh the irony As it happens no I shouldn't have posted 'only loonies believe this' and have removed it. I note you can't refute that that ONS link showed you were wrong |
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Post by Orac on Aug 23, 2023 11:27:19 GMT
Conspiracy theories can potentially be dangerous, but banning them far more so.
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Post by Steve on Aug 23, 2023 11:29:50 GMT
Conspiracy theories can potentially be dangerous, but banning them far more so. worth a thread of its own? |
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Post by Orac on Aug 23, 2023 11:39:13 GMT
Conspiracy theories can potentially be dangerous, but banning them far more so. worth a thread of its own? Sure The case for free speech / the western democratic social modelor How does a governing group best encourage trust in their rule?Something like that? |
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