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Post by wapentake on Aug 17, 2023 16:15:52 GMT
I came across these accidentally looking at stuff on YouTube.
Their raisin d’etre is based around you have the right to photograph or film anything you can see from a public place and that in public you have to create your own privacy.
Some go about this fairly politely and others aggressive where a smack in their mouth shouldn’t offend
I get what they’re saying but I find many are on the wind up of people and police,I remember a situation arose a number of years ago where a tourist in London was approached by a Pcso who told him to stop filming or his camera would be confiscated and him arrested which was ridiculous,questions asked in parliament which led to rights being put in place some which I certainly wasn’t aware of.
This link is to one of the more polite,he was looking at a situation where a man died when being questioned by police.
He too was arrested and sued in the civil courts won and gave the money to the widow.
Anyway I was wondering if others had seen these people and what they thought.
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 17, 2023 17:49:57 GMT
As an amateur phographer and father of a professional photographic artist ….
The UK grants no legal right to privacy in a public space.
Nor do you have the right to control the use of your own image.
What does this mean ? Well from the course syllabus taught in the former Newport Art College …
If you are awarded a contract by a seaside hotel to produce for example photographs of their facility as seen from a public place for a travel brochure, or website, and on the day you stand on the public beach and photograph the hotel, you capture an image of a guest clearly having physical fun with a woman his wife is unaware exists or that her husband is engaging in such action, and if said spouse then cones across these images and castrates the cheating piece of shit with a rusty hacksaw, if he then tries to sue you for invasion of his ‘right to shag his mistress without his wife finding out’ the judge will laugh him out of court. NOT SO in FRANCE where the guests must consent to having their images captured and used.
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Post by Orac on Aug 17, 2023 17:58:26 GMT
and the moral of the story is..
If you are doing something you would rather kept secret, don't do it on a public beach outside a major hotel.
Some of us learn the hard way, others listen to John;)
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Post by dappy on Aug 17, 2023 18:50:00 GMT
Friend of mine was swimming when a large wave deposited on him the badly decomposed body of a child that had drowned a couple of weeks before. The remains then washed up on the beach. An American then tried to take holiday snaps of the corpse. Somewhat emotional my friend gave his camera a swim and then politely suggested he should leave.
As always just like “free speech” balance applies. Normally fine but not if others rights are too badly compromised.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 20:47:40 GMT
Friend of mine was swimming when a large wave deposited on him the badly decomposed body of a child that had drowned a couple of weeks before. The remains then washed up on the beach. An American then tried to take holiday snaps of the corpse. Somewhat emotional my friend gave his camera a swim and then politely suggested he should leave. As always just like “free speech” balance applies. Normally fine but not if others rights are too badly compromised. Gave his camera a swim is criminal damage, of course. However, I understand why your friend did that. We have a culture in Britain which does not take pictures of dead bodies. Other countries have no such qualms. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 17, 2023 21:07:34 GMT
Friend of mine was swimming when a large wave deposited on him the badly decomposed body of a child that had drowned a couple of weeks before. The remains then washed up on the beach. An American then tried to take holiday snaps of the corpse. Somewhat emotional my friend gave his camera a swim and then politely suggested he should leave. As always just like “free speech” balance applies. Normally fine but not if others rights are too badly compromised. The trouble with standards for free speech is that they only work fine if everyone remains honest. However, the control lever attracts psychopaths like moths to a light-bulb. I'm afraid you only sensibly get to choose between bad people speaking or bad people controlling your speech. It's like a cosmic equilibrium thing. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 17, 2023 21:32:29 GMT
Friend of mine was swimming when a large wave deposited on him the badly decomposed body of a child that had drowned a couple of weeks before. The remains then washed up on the beach. An American then tried to take holiday snaps of the corpse. Somewhat emotional my friend gave his camera a swim and then politely suggested he should leave. As always just like “free speech” balance applies. Normally fine but not if others rights are too badly compromised. The trouble with standards for free speech is that they only work fine if everyone remains honest. However, the control lever attracts psychopaths like moths to a light-bulb. I'm afraid you only sensibly get to choose between bad people speaking or bad people controlling your speech. It's like a cosmic equilibrium thing. Freedoms and rights are something we should defend and be proud of,sadly too many forgetrights come with responsibilities. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 17, 2023 21:37:31 GMT
Friend of mine was swimming when a large wave deposited on him the badly decomposed body of a child that had drowned a couple of weeks before. The remains then washed up on the beach. An American then tried to take holiday snaps of the corpse. Somewhat emotional my friend gave his camera a swim and then politely suggested he should leave. As always just like “free speech” balance applies. Normally fine but not if others rights are too badly compromised. So what was your take on the worldwide distribution of this photograph of a Kurdish child that washed up on a Turkish beach in 2015? I'm sure you'll recall that at the time this image was extensively used by pro-migrant campaigners in an attempt to stifle dissent against the mass migration of asylum seekers to Europe.
Should the cameras of the Turkish press photographers who took the pictures have been given a 'swim' too?
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 18, 2023 6:54:29 GMT
Friend of mine was swimming when a large wave deposited on him the badly decomposed body of a child that had drowned a couple of weeks before. The remains then washed up on the beach. An American then tried to take holiday snaps of the corpse. Somewhat emotional my friend gave his camera a swim and then politely suggested he should leave. As always just like “free speech” balance applies. Normally fine but not if others rights are too badly compromised. So what was your take on the worldwide distribution of this photograph of a Kurdish child that washed up on a Turkish beach in 2015? I'm sure you'll recall that at the time this image was extensively used by pro-migrant campaigners in an attempt to stifle dissent against the mass migration of asylum seekers to Europe.
Should the cameras of the Turkish press photographers who took the pictures have been given a 'swim' too?
As i have often said on here and elsewhere, a great deal of the reason for the continuing invasion of this country is that those doing the invading have no idea of the stark reality of the odds they will end up the subject if a similar photo. The finest service that could have been done to THIS country is for THAT photo to have been stuck on ten million posts, poles noticeboards and trees in the countries these invaders originate from with a message that THIS is how you end up if you pay people smugglers and NO ONE cares. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 18, 2023 7:06:56 GMT
The trouble with standards for free speech is that they only work fine if everyone remains honest. However, the control lever attracts psychopaths like moths to a light-bulb. I'm afraid you only sensibly get to choose between bad people speaking or bad people controlling your speech. It's like a cosmic equilibrium thing. Freedoms and rights are something we should defend and be proud of,sadly too many forgetrights come with responsibilities. That's true in a aggregate sense for freedom of speech. If you insist others not be allowed to speak, you are making the likelihood you will be able to speak lower. The responsibility of speaking itself is a pro social value. My view is that freedom of speech happens when the conflict in society is low - ie most people agree on most issues or, if not, agree on what is legitimate a way to disagree. The most important thing is probably the prevalence of pro social values. We seem to me to be going through a negative spiral of destroyed values and growing restrictions. |
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Post by ALAIN DELON on Sept 10, 2023 11:59:00 GMT
I remember a great outpouring of sympathy about it, so who is 'no one'? That doesn't seem to fit with the reality as I recall. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 10, 2023 12:31:12 GMT
I remember a great outpouring of sympathy about it, so who is 'no one'? That doesn't seem to fit with the reality as I recall. the reason we are invaded by these buggers us they have been told they will find sympathy and more here. If they were told all they will find is hostility, aggression, violence and disdain for and mockery of those who die trying to invade our shores, do you think they will still come ? |
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Post by ALAIN DELON on Sept 10, 2023 22:51:56 GMT
Of course. The people in Afghan who were abandoned should shut up and stay there and not seek to go else where eh? Ditto Syrians.
That kind of thinking makes the world a better place. Of course it does.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 11, 2023 6:18:05 GMT
Of course. The people in Afghan who were abandoned should shut up and stay there and not seek to go else where eh? Ditto Syrians. That kind of thinking makes the world a better place. Of course it does. Well there is the argument that you should fight to make your country better if its heading in a direction you do not like - running away helps nobody except yourself. |
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Post by ALAIN DELON on Sept 17, 2023 19:46:51 GMT
And some would argue that living to fight another day is better, many people flee only to return later. It doesn't mean you've given up, just that you're escaping the temporary insanity gripping the nation. In a place like Afghan or Syria, that's understandable.
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