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Post by Pacifico on Aug 12, 2023 7:00:17 GMT
The latest estimate for 2022 puts government healthcare spending in 2022 in the region of £230 billion. Given that in 2010 the government was spending just £105 Billion are we: a: receiving value for money for all that increased spending? and b: is that rate of increase in spending affordable in the long term? UK Health Accounts provisional estimates: 2022
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Post by jonksy on Aug 12, 2023 7:45:51 GMT
The latest estimate for 2022 puts government healthcare spending in 2022 in the region of £230 billion. Given that in 2010 the government was spending just £105 Billion are we: a: receiving value for money for all that increased spending? and b: is that rate of increase in spending affordable in the long term? UK Health Accounts provisional estimates: 2022A bargain not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 10:35:09 GMT
The latest estimate for 2022 puts government healthcare spending in 2022 in the region of £230 billion. Given that in 2010 the government was spending just £105 Billion are we: a: receiving value for money for all that increased spending? and b: is that rate of increase in spending affordable in the long term? UK Health Accounts provisional estimates: 2022There is a "spanner in the works" which has screwed up NHS spending, and that spanner is called Covid19 For obvious reasons, spending on the NHS suddenly shot up in 2020 from approx 137 Billion to 156 Billion, then peaking in 2021 at around 158 Billion, and since that peak, spending has fallen back. In pacifico's post he quotes a figure of £230 Billion on "healthcare spending", but please be aware that this IS NOT the figure for "NHS spending" which is different. The TOTAL Department For Health & Social Care budget last financial year was £180 Billion, and this includes NHS spending ( £152.6 Billion ) and social care spending ( the remainder ). I am not calling into question Pacifico's figure of £230 Billion, but I do know that the figure is not what the government spending is on either the NHS or Social Care, or indeed both combined. I suspect it includes something else, and my guess is Private Consumer Health Care Spending.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 12, 2023 11:03:07 GMT
I am not calling into question Pacifico's figure of £230 Billion, but I do know that the figure is not what the government spending is on either the NHS or Social Care, or indeed both combined. I suspect it includes something else, and my guess is Private Consumer Health Care Spending. try reading the link and you wouldn't have to suspect anything.. Our initial estimates suggest that government healthcare spending in 2022 was in the region of £230 billion, accounting for over four-fifths (81.5%) of total healthcare expenditure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 11:49:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 13:47:38 GMT
OK Sid, so the Tories have put an extra 15 billion in over 10 years, in real terms taking account of inflation. They just need to account for the increase in population now... Which is up about 6% in that period, so still an increase accounting for population. Well done the nasty party.
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 12, 2023 13:52:29 GMT
More emphasis needs to be put on education rather than cure.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 12, 2023 14:04:19 GMT
More emphasis needs to be put on education rather than cure. Less needs to be spent on all this diversity bollocks.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 12, 2023 14:35:40 GMT
I wonder how much of the NHS budget goes on things like...
Unconscious bias training Rainbow pedestrian crossings NHS diversity officers [800 of them] NHS diversity Tsar [Salary £230,000] NHS diversity directors Producing leaflets & letters in more than 30 languages NHS translation services (£66 million 2020/21] NHS equality, diversity and inclusion (EDI) strategy groups. [More than 500 throughout the NHS] Miscellaneous - Pride badges, pronoun badges, rainbow rulers & pens. Etc etc etc, I'm sure this short list hasn't even scratched the surface...
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 12, 2023 14:36:14 GMT
More emphasis needs to be put on education rather than cure. Less needs to be spent on all this diversity bollocks. Couldn't have put it better meself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 16:07:55 GMT
More emphasis needs to be put on education rather than cure. No health spending is ever enough, apparently.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 12, 2023 16:46:22 GMT
Whenever I want some accurate and independent facts, figures or data on the NHS I always refer to The Kings Fund, which is THE most respected independent source, without any political bias. What political bias does the Office For National Statistics have?
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 12, 2023 16:47:01 GMT
More emphasis needs to be put on education rather than cure. What would you cut so as to spend more on education?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2023 18:21:20 GMT
There are different types of inflation, RPI is what UK inflation used to be measured by, but when the Bank of England gained political independence in 1997, we switched to the more appropriate CPI (Consumer Price Index) which measures services aswell as goods.
However, there are specific or specialised Inflation Rates, and one such is "Health Services Inflation", which is generally higher than CPI because of the costs of advances in technology, sciences, research, development and high tech etc.
For most of the years under the last Labour government, NHS budgets increased well over and beyond CPI inflation.
Its not rocket science for anyone to see that the NHS is in trouble, in 2010 the satisfaction rate of the NHS was at a record high - VERY different from today.
In 2010 it generally did not take two or three weeks to see a GP, it was more like two or three days.
In 2010 is was very rare to hear the kinds of stories we hear now regarding ambulance response times, and the thousands of horror stories of people left in pain for hours waiting for an ambulance.
DO NOT ATTEMPT TO BLAME Covid for all this - Waiting lists have risen EVERY year since 2010, and before Covid arrived the waiting lists were 5 MILLION.
Today the waiting lists are at 7.6 Million
Four out of ten people refered for URGENT treatment have still not had treatment started after two months.
The government has NO CHOICE but to address the real terms reduction in pay for doctors, otherwise the steady flow of doctors leaving the NHS will turn into an haemorrage of people leaving.
I understand and accept that asking for a 35% increase in one go is not practical, and that the country cannot aford it. However, this IS the figure which would correct the loss of pay in real terms since 2010.
The government has to make a promise to correct the loss of real terms pay over a number of years, perhaps guarantee a pay increase of "Inflation + 2%" until the loss in real terms pay is repaired.
There is a serious staff shortage in our NHS because people are leaving, and others are going part time or taking early retirement. Many are going abroad, others going into private medicine and other jobs.
It is a Free Market, and if the terms and conditions of health professionals here are reduced, or if pay goes down, they will go else where, and this is happening.
THere has got to be a different way of thinking, maybe outside the box, there is an answer somewhere as to how we can restore the NHS back to where it was in 2010, if it was working ok then, we can fix it, but it must begin by getting rid of the people who have overseen the gradual deterioration of our NHS - THE CONSERVATIVE GOVERNMENT.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 12, 2023 18:51:31 GMT
More emphasis needs to be put on education rather than cure. No health spending is ever enough, apparently. It depends how much the vain want their tits, lips and arses pumped up.
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