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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2023 7:21:19 GMT
"Indy cause"? They are a bunch of money grabbing crooks. They belong in prison for thieving from the taxpayer. again vinny cant detract the independence cause , from the antics of a political party. Is your world that simple and naive you seriously believe if the snp dissapeared , so would the movement for scot indy? |
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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2023 7:34:21 GMT
The SNP are a bunch of fiscally incompetent crooks. rubbish. The snp ran scotland under alec salmond for seven years and were regarded as a highly competent administration .Sturgeons rule was qute a different matter. At the minute , while yousaf isnt popular , another factor into the equation is the deal they have with the green party , and the unpopularity of the greens and harvie and slater in particular.
You once again vinny dont have a clue what you are talking about. All you do is froth at the mouth while screaming snp bad. To scream about the snp being bad , when the tory administration of the last 13 years in your capital city of london has variously been decribed as the most fiscally incompetent and corrupt government in modern uk history is fuckin laughable.
They have wasted billions of uk taxpayers money , unusable aircraft carriers and dodgy tanks , hs2 project which experts are now saying will never be completed , covid ppe and much more.We hear today theresa villiers had £70 k shell shares when environment secretary ,which set against the backdrop of non stop tory scandals over 13 years barely fucking registers now such is the tory governments corruption and incompetence.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the sturgeon and yousaf administration in holyrood , they pale into insignificance when compared to that lot in westmsinter.
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Post by Handyman on Aug 11, 2023 12:27:15 GMT
I have a solution, get a huge chainsaw or disc cutter and cut along Hadrian's wall, then float Scotland out to sea, tow in down the East coast across the Channel and cement it to France, Job done Barnet formula finished  |
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Post by om15 on Aug 11, 2023 12:39:16 GMT
This constant whining and bleating from the Scotch Nats is worse than having a room full of midges.
The Scots have had a choice as to whether they remain in a Union with England or not and they chose to, the English haven't had a choice as to whether they remain in a Union with Scotland or not, if they had Scotland may well now be a bleaker wasteland than the SNP have already made it.
To come on here and, with a straight face, indicate that the dishonesty, corruption, theft, fraud, child perversions and incompetence of the SNP is in fact an MI5 plot beggars belief, that haluncinary and derisory argument is the last roll of the dice by the defeated.
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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2023 14:17:29 GMT
I have a solution, get a huge chainsaw or disc cutter and cut along Hadrian's wall, then float Scotland out to sea, tow in down the East coast across the Channel and cement it to France, Job done Barnet formula finished i guess geography isnt your strong point handyman? Do you think the english living in north northumbria might not be happy being cut off from the rest of your country? |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 11, 2023 14:29:40 GMT
I have a solution, get a huge chainsaw or disc cutter and cut along Hadrian's wall, then float Scotland out to sea, tow in down the East coast across the Channel and cement it to France, Job done Barnet formula finished i guess geography isnt your strong point handyman? Do you think the english living in north northumbria might not be happy being cut off from the rest of your country? Its is my sense of humour, which is different to some Sassenachs that live North and South of the border |
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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2023 14:30:06 GMT
This constant whining and bleating from the Scotch Nats is worse than having a room full of midges. The Scots have had a choice as to whether they remain in a Union with England or not and they chose to no scotland chose to remain in the uk that was in the eu. You keep leaving that wee inconvenient fact out om. Wonder why?
so who is stopping you and why cant england hold a referendum if they want to leave the union? you have 82 % of the seats , and control the uk. Are you trying to imply scotland isnt letting you go?
I telly you ommy , just when i think we have reached rock bottom in political discourse on this forum , up you pop to lower the bar further.
While the snp have faults , and there has been good and bad aspects of devolution that could be better served by having full independence , the idea scotland is worse now than what it was when i was a wean under thatcher and major prior to devolution , back in the days of the labour parties feeble fifty is nothing more than the product of your fevered imagaintion om.
Most scots are now looking across to the republic of ireland and seeing how well they are doing instead of living under the dead hand of westmsinter , and thinking we want some of that.
i wonder why the irish dont want to be part of your union anymore ? Honestly cant think why ?
well. As long as the tories are in government in england , we know ther isnt any dishonesty or corruption the snp could aspire to that the tories havent reached ten times over. labour mps taking chinese backhanders , tories and thier dirty russian money , and you talk about mi5 plots ? Perhaps your countires secret service needs to keep and eye on the behaviour of the worthies in that parliament of yours om.
UK failure to tackle ‘dirty money’ led to it ‘laundering Russia’s war funds’
Commons foreign affairs committee criticises ministers’ complacency and ‘unwillingness to bring forward legislation’
Tories have taken £62,000 from Russia-linked donors since war began
Labour MP received £500,000 in funding from Chinese Communist agent
Barry Gardiner said he kept security services fully informed, after MI5 warned MPs they are being targeted by Beijing.
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Post by thomas on Aug 11, 2023 14:33:33 GMT
i guess geography isnt your strong point handyman? Do you think the english living in north northumbria might not be happy being cut off from the rest of your country? Its is my sense of humour, which is different to some Sassenachs that live North and South of the border sorry handyman but i like a laugh but that was about as funny as a hole in the heart , and of course unoriginal.
We arent sassunachs mate. North of the border we are called albannach. You are sassunach south of it. The irish are eireannach , and the welsh ` a cuimreach.
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Post by Handyman on Aug 11, 2023 14:57:16 GMT
It would be boring if we had the same sense of humour, south of the border you are Sassenachs to me, but just to cheer you up a snippet from the Express today
" Scotland could face waiting almost a decade to rejoin the EU after independence, according to the SNP government's own officials.
Internal analysis by civil servants states that it may take up to eight years for an independent Scotland to become part of the Brussels club.
Under a best-case scenario, the process would take between three and four years.
It also highlighted external warnings that Scotland would be forced to join the Euro and the Schengen area, which would mean passport checks to travel across the border to England.
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Post by om15 on Aug 11, 2023 16:53:12 GMT
Good try Tommy, but I am not convinced that your views are shared by very many, I have just looked through the readers comments in the Scottish newspapers, there are the usual unhinged sectarian rants from the dwindling SNP supporters, but in general the whole issue of independence is being pushed to one side with worries about just how much the SNP under Sturgeon have wrecked Scotland, this letter below is typical of the mood at the moment.
Unless this person is MI5, CIA, KGB or from Mumsnet we can assume that this about sums your mess of a country up quite well.
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Post by thomas on Aug 12, 2023 16:21:52 GMT
It would be boring if we had the same sense of humour, south of the border you are Sassenachs to me, but just to cheer you up a snippet from the Express today " Scotland could face waiting almost a decade to rejoin the EU after independence, according to the SNP government's own officials. Internal analysis by civil servants states that it may take up to eight years for an independent Scotland to become part of the Brussels club. Under a best-case scenario, the process would take between three and four years. It also highlighted external warnings that Scotland would be forced to join the Euro and the Schengen area, which would mean passport checks to travel across the border to England. ah ok handyman. I have a good sense of humour mate , and i know it can be a hard gig in here , but thats pretty crap humour. Sassunach is of course scottish for an englishman, literally saxon man . There was no saxons in scotland throughout history. It s like me saying south of the border you are all frogs to me.
anyway moving on.....
Ah another re hash of old european arugments. It s almost like you have nothing left in the ammo box. The debate has moved on mate , but the latest is of course for scotland to join EFTA , which gives us single market access , within a three month time frame , while ful european membership is going through. Most accept now this would literally be a formality , and be done quite quickly. The beauty of it is , unlike last time , your dont have a say.
You cant even stop northern ireland remaining members never mind stopping us joining .
sounds good to me mate. Whats the downside?
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Post by thomas on Aug 12, 2023 16:32:38 GMT
Good try Tommy, but I am not convinced that your views are shared by very many, I have just looked through the readers comments in the Scottish newspapers, there are the usual unhinged sectarian rants from the dwindling SNP supporters, but in general the whole issue of independence is being pushed to one side with worries about just how much the SNP under Sturgeon have wrecked Scotland, this letter below is typical of the mood at the moment. Unless this person is MI5, CIA, KGB or from Mumsnet we can assume that this about sums your mess of a country up quite well. ah , om , fingers on the pulse of scottish politics by reading the comments in dwindling newspapers. You would probably be better reading the comments on mumsnet.
anyway back to reality. the whole issue of independence is fast becoming the main issue for scottish voters , as more and more realise the only way to cure our countires ills is thorugh indepdence.
the latest polls , this time carried out by find out now , with electoral calculus , on behalf of channel four is devastating for the tories uk wide. They polled 11000 souls , which gave labour another massive 22% lead , with the tories perfroming poorest in the seats where they were strongest in 2019. Your man ricky is pretty pish isnt he?
The sizeable scottish subsample of the poll has the snp winning 38 seats , with the total pro independence vote around 48 %.
40% SNP
29% English Lab
13% English Con
8% Lib
7% Green
3% English Reform
1% Other (e.g. Alba)
As you can see from the graph below , the average polls over the last 13 years has independence support rising higher and higher every year.
If you feel comfortable though in the murky world of mumsnet and readers comments in the pitiful newspapers , then who am i to upset you ommy.?
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Post by thomas on Aug 12, 2023 16:38:14 GMT
Unless this person is MI5, CIA, KGB or from Mumsnet we can assume that this about sums your mess of a country up quite well. meant to say ommy , fuck knows who this barometer of truth and wisdom is meant to be , but on the subject of the hamilton by election , ive already said my piece .Its a win win situation for me.
If english labour do win the seat , and polls are saying they have a good chance , just remember , it was blairite labour that lost scotland in the first place. I was more concerned with corbyn and hid momentum gang winning scotland back than i am with the wooden keir starmer.
The blairites are brilliant.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 13, 2023 0:38:02 GMT
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Post by morayloon on Aug 13, 2023 3:27:58 GMT
This constant whining and bleating from the Scotch Nats is worse than having a room full of midges. The Scots have had a choice as to whether they remain in a Union with England or not and they chose to, the English haven't had a choice as to whether they remain in a Union with Scotland or not, if they had Scotland may well now be a bleaker wasteland than the SNP have already made it. To come on here and, with a straight face, indicate that the dishonesty, corruption, theft, fraud, child perversions and incompetence of the SNP is in fact an MI5 plot beggars belief, that haluncinary and derisory argument is the last roll of the dice by the defeated. You are a very naive person. To think that the SNP has not been infiltrated by MI5 is risible. My god man, that so called 'threat' to the British state, the SWP was heavily infiltrated (or don't you believe that was the case either?). What do you think the secret services are for? They are there to stifle any possible threat to the state. The SNP and the wider Independence movement is a big threat. This article gives some insight: www.barrheadboy.com/infiltration-of-the-snp/?fbclid=IwAR3gbh9_we_yyvYCxmBG12M5Za2tafbHO3h_aBY6VQ_mSPKCnEhfArtTR8c |
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