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Post by Pacifico on Aug 9, 2023 10:49:00 GMT
Margaret Thatcher and a large portion of the Conservative Party banned teaching children that same sex relationships is not only normal, but acceptable. Twaddle
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2023 12:14:44 GMT
Section 28 ( Local Government Act 1988 ) a local authority "shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship"
Word for word, the disgusting Tory section 28, which helped to drive many young people to suicide because they thought they were not good enough, inferior or freaks.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 9, 2023 15:04:16 GMT
Section 28 ( Local Government Act 1988 ) a local authority "shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship"
Word for word, the disgusting Tory section 28, which helped to drive many young people to suicide because they thought they were not good enough, inferior or freaks. repeat after me Sid - Section 28 did not apply to Schools...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2023 15:20:59 GMT
Section 28 ( Local Government Act 1988 ) a local authority "shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship"
Word for word, the disgusting Tory section 28, which helped to drive many young people to suicide because they thought they were not good enough, inferior or freaks. repeat after me Sid - Section 28 did not apply to Schools... Do you actually make things up or do you get your information from some dodgy source ? The Act specifically applies to schools, I did quote from the Act and it specifically states ANY MAINTAINED SCHOOL, which means any educational establishment in the control of the local education authority. Primary Schools, Secondary Schools, Grammar Schools, Colleges etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2023 17:07:12 GMT
Don't worry, Sid, any attempts to keep decency and morality in society are long dead.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 9, 2023 17:10:24 GMT
repeat after me Sid - Section 28 did not apply to Schools... Do you actually make things up or do you get your information from some dodgy source ? The Act specifically applies to schools, I did quote from the Act and it specifically states ANY MAINTAINED SCHOOL, which means any educational establishment in the control of the local education authority. Primary Schools, Secondary Schools, Grammar Schools, Colleges etc. "The NUT is calling for the repeal of Section 28. While Section 28 applies to local authorities and not to schools, many teachers believe, albeit wrongly, that it imposes constraints in respect of the advice and counselling they give to pupils. Professional judgement is therefore influenced by the perceived prospect of prosecution."
NUT campaign to repeal Section 28
"Responsibility for sex education continues to rest with school governing bodies, by virtue of Section 18 of the Education (No. 2) Act 1986. Section 28 does not affect the activities of school governors, nor of teachers. It will not prevent the objective discussion of homosexuality in the classroom, nor the counselling of pupils concerned about their sexuality. Such activities will continue to be governed by Section 46 of the Education (No. 2) Act 1986" The Local Government Bill [HL]: the ‘Section 28’ debate
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2023 20:09:54 GMT
Sex Education has got nothing to do with teaching young people that same sex relationships, or gay people / gay relationships should be viewed as both acceptable and normal. Sex Education refers to the act of physical sex, usually part of human biology Section 28, a law passed in 1988 by a Conservative government that stopped councils and schools "promoting the teaching of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship." (BBC) The law did not apply SPECIFICALLY to teachers, but it covered teachers because almost all schools are under the authority of LEA ( Local Education Authorities ), part of local councils. (BBC Article) ""Kids in the playground pushing and shoving and calling you a 'fag'. Throwing their drinks on you. Because of Section 28 it meant that a lot of teachers felt like they couldn't step in." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig, now a teacher, was bullied in high school for being gay "I now know, as a teacher, that we have a duty of care over young people to educate them. No-one stepped in to help me back then and I feel a bit angry about that to this day." Section 28 gagged teachers, it stopped them from offering sensible, sound advice or encouragement to young people, and I have no doubt that it not only caused a lot of psychological harm, but caused suicides too.
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Post by Dogburger on Aug 9, 2023 20:38:01 GMT
Section 28 ( Local Government Act 1988 ) a local authority "shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship"
Word for word, the disgusting Tory section 28, which helped to drive many young people to suicide because they thought they were not good enough, inferior or freaks. Section 28 saved more Children than we will ever know from the confusion that promoting homosexuality caused . In fact suicide rates were falling until section 28 was repealed in 2003 when it began to rise again . Your contention that section 28 helped drive many people to suicide is without foundation and to assume what the poor souls who did take their lives during that time 'thought' is baseless
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 9, 2023 21:25:28 GMT
Sex Education has got nothing to do with teaching young people that same sex relationships, or gay people / gay relationships should be viewed as both acceptable and normal. Sex Education refers to the act of physical sex, usually part of human biology Section 28, a law passed in 1988 by a Conservative government that stopped councils and schools "promoting the teaching of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship." (BBC) The law did not apply SPECIFICALLY to teachers, but it covered teachers because almost all schools are under the authority of LEA ( Local Education Authorities ), part of local councils. (BBC Article) ""Kids in the playground pushing and shoving and calling you a 'fag'. Throwing their drinks on you. Because of Section 28 it meant that a lot of teachers felt like they couldn't step in." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- View AttachmentCraig, now a teacher, was bullied in high school for being gay "I now know, as a teacher, that we have a duty of care over young people to educate them. No-one stepped in to help me back then and I feel a bit angry about that to this day." Section 28 gagged teachers, it stopped them from offering sensible, sound advice or encouragement to young people, and I have no doubt that it not only caused a lot of psychological harm, but caused suicides too. Sid - repeat after me. Section 28 did not apply to Schools...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 10:00:15 GMT
Section 28 ( Local Government Act 1988 ) a local authority "shall not intentionally promote homosexuality or publish material with the intention of promoting homosexuality" or "promote the teaching in any maintained school of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship"
Word for word, the disgusting Tory section 28, which helped to drive many young people to suicide because they thought they were not good enough, inferior or freaks. Section 28 saved more Children than we will ever know from the confusion that promoting homosexuality caused . In fact suicide rates were falling until section 28 was repealed in 2003 when it began to rise again . Your contention that section 28 helped drive many people to suicide is without foundation and to assume what the poor souls who did take their lives during that time 'thought' is baseless What a load of bollocks - can you provide evidence, links, data to your assertion ? When I search for information on Section 28, I find lots and lots of information which points to the complete oppsite of your unfounded claim. Read here how the Moral Right forced their so called "family values" upon people they looked down upon ( gay people ) How Section 28’s painful legacy is still being felt three decades on Matthew Todd explores how the most vicious piece of anti-gay legislation in modern times continues to affect the LGBT community. www.attitude.co.uk/culture/sexuality/how-section-28s-painful-legacy-is-still-being-felt-three-decades-on-295974/Moralising Thatcherites, acting like the Catholic Church, trying to force their outdated beliefs on others
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2023 10:13:31 GMT
Sex Education has got nothing to do with teaching young people that same sex relationships, or gay people / gay relationships should be viewed as both acceptable and normal. Sex Education refers to the act of physical sex, usually part of human biology Section 28, a law passed in 1988 by a Conservative government that stopped councils and schools "promoting the teaching of the acceptability of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship." (BBC) The law did not apply SPECIFICALLY to teachers, but it covered teachers because almost all schools are under the authority of LEA ( Local Education Authorities ), part of local councils. (BBC Article) ""Kids in the playground pushing and shoving and calling you a 'fag'. Throwing their drinks on you. Because of Section 28 it meant that a lot of teachers felt like they couldn't step in." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- View AttachmentCraig, now a teacher, was bullied in high school for being gay "I now know, as a teacher, that we have a duty of care over young people to educate them. No-one stepped in to help me back then and I feel a bit angry about that to this day." Section 28 gagged teachers, it stopped them from offering sensible, sound advice or encouragement to young people, and I have no doubt that it not only caused a lot of psychological harm, but caused suicides too. Sid - repeat after me. Section 28 did not apply to Schools... Section 28 applied to every school which came under Local Education Authority jurisdiction - it states so in the Act of Parliament, do some research, look it up, check things out before making claims which in the end just make you look stupid. WHY SECTION 28 WAS ABOLISHED AND THE REASONS GIVEN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) That, by excluding homosexual support groups and appearing to prevent teachers from protecting victims of homophobic bullying, Section 28 was actually endangering vulnerable children (2) The claim that Section 28 made the assumption that homosexuals were inherently dangerous to children, implying an association between homosexuality, bisexuality and paedophilia, as obvious from the "predatory homosexuals" argument of the supporters of the law. (3) Not only did Section 28 prevent the active promotion of homosexuality, but also it appeared to give a legal reason to oppose it in schools and other forums if necessary (4) The claim that Section 28 was a law which gave an impression to the public that the government sanctioned homophobia (5) The idea that homosexuality could be "promoted" implied that homosexuality was a choice which people could be persuaded to make, in contrast to the Section's opponents' view that homosexuality is biologically determined
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Post by jonksy on Aug 10, 2023 10:56:31 GMT
Sid - repeat after me. Section 28 did not apply to Schools... Section 28 applied to every school which came under Local Education Authority jurisdiction - it states so in the Act of Parliament, do some research, look it up, check things out before making claims which in the end just make you look stupid. WHY SECTION 28 WAS ABOLISHED AND THE REASONS GIVEN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) That, by excluding homosexual support groups and appearing to prevent teachers from protecting victims of homophobic bullying, Section 28 was actually endangering vulnerable children (2) The claim that Section 28 made the assumption that homosexuals were inherently dangerous to children, implying an association between homosexuality, bisexuality and paedophilia, as obvious from the "predatory homosexuals" argument of the supporters of the law. (3) Not only did Section 28 prevent the active promotion of homosexuality, but also it appeared to give a legal reason to oppose it in schools and other forums if necessary (4) The claim that Section 28 was a law which gave an impression to the public that the government sanctioned homophobia (5) The idea that homosexuality could be "promoted" implied that homosexuality was a choice which people could be persuaded to make, in contrast to the Section's opponents' view that homosexuality is biologically determined Same old usual lefy bollocks.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 10, 2023 16:33:26 GMT
Sid - repeat after me. Section 28 did not apply to Schools... Section 28 applied to every school which came under Local Education Authority jurisdiction - it states so in the Act of Parliament, do some research, look it up, check things out before making claims which in the end just make you look stupid. Sid - repeat after me - Section 28 did not apply to schools. "Section 28 does not affect the activities of school governors, nor of teachers. It will not prevent the objective discussion of homosexuality in the classroom, nor the counselling of pupils concerned about their sexuality. Such activities will continue to be governed by Section 46 of the Education (No. 2) Act 1986"
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Post by Dogburger on Aug 11, 2023 10:21:58 GMT
Section 28 saved more Children than we will ever know from the confusion that promoting homosexuality caused . In fact suicide rates were falling until section 28 was repealed in 2003 when it began to rise again . Your contention that section 28 helped drive many people to suicide is without foundation and to assume what the poor souls who did take their lives during that time 'thought' is baseless What a load of bollocks - can you provide evidence, links, data to your assertion ? When I search for information on Section 28, I find lots and lots of information which points to the complete oppsite of your unfounded claim. Read here how the Moral Right forced their so called "family values" upon people they looked down upon ( gay people ) How Section 28’s painful legacy is still being felt three decades on Matthew Todd explores how the most vicious piece of anti-gay legislation in modern times continues to affect the LGBT community. www.attitude.co.uk/culture/sexuality/how-section-28s-painful-legacy-is-still-being-felt-three-decades-on-295974/Moralising Thatcherites, acting like the Catholic Church, trying to force their outdated beliefs on others Like you provided evidence of your claim ? However you dont have to search for information on section 28 you just have to look at suicide rates during the timescale in question 1988-2003 and beyond commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7749/Its quite obvious though that suicides went down during the period of section 28 and rose again after it was repealed . Take into account the time lag between death and coroners report and the timeline is bang on . Proving how many out of those numbers had issues with their sexuality is harder to prove but seeing as you started it with your assertion of ''section 28 helped drive many people to suicide'' I'll leave it to you to search for the proof of that
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Post by Dogburger on Aug 11, 2023 10:43:28 GMT
Section 28 applied to every school which came under Local Education Authority jurisdiction - it states so in the Act of Parliament, do some research, look it up, check things out before making claims which in the end just make you look stupid. WHY SECTION 28 WAS ABOLISHED AND THE REASONS GIVEN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) That, by excluding homosexual support groups and appearing to prevent teachers from protecting victims of homophobic bullying, Section 28 was actually endangering vulnerable children (2) The claim that Section 28 made the assumption that homosexuals were inherently dangerous to children, implying an association between homosexuality, bisexuality and paedophilia, as obvious from the "predatory homosexuals" argument of the supporters of the law. (3) Not only did Section 28 prevent the active promotion of homosexuality, but also it appeared to give a legal reason to oppose it in schools and other forums if necessary (4) The claim that Section 28 was a law which gave an impression to the public that the government sanctioned homophobia (5) The idea that homosexuality could be "promoted" implied that homosexuality was a choice which people could be persuaded to make, in contrast to the Section's opponents' view that homosexuality is biologically determined Same old usual lefy bollocks. The left love a victim jonksy and will find one in every walk of life be it gays ,blacks ,immigrants ,poor people ,disabled or any other percieved downtrodden of society . Right thinking people don't see that victimhood and in the main dont care what people are but more about what they can be .
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