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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 3, 2023 14:26:52 GMT
Ali Harbi Ali repeatedly stabbed Sir David Amess in October 2021 at a constituency surgery in Essex. He admitted killing but denied murder, claiming he was protecting fellow Muslims. Figures from the Legal Aid Agency - shared from a freedom of information request by the Sun - revealed that £44,373 was spent on solicitors who worked at court and a police station. A further £55,655 was spent on two barristers who represented him at his seven-day trial in April 2022. www.lbc.co.uk/news/fury-man-murdered-tory-mp-sir-david-amess-100-000-legal-aid/The vast majority of hard working Brits don't qualify for legal aid, they pay for it, but they don't qualify for it. Awarding this peice of shit £100,000 is an absolute travesty and a slap in the face for every tax payer in this country. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 3, 2023 14:32:53 GMT
It's a utter piss take.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 3, 2023 14:41:14 GMT
But those are the rules: If you're an unemployable, recidivist arsehole then you're eligible for legal aid.
But if you're a hardworking member of the public, you're not.
Simples.
Maybe we should be writing to our MPs.
No, I don't hold out much hope either.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 3, 2023 14:43:51 GMT
But those are the rules: If you're an unemployable, recidivist arsehole then you're eligible for legal aid. But if you're a hardworking member of the public, you're not. Simples. Maybe we should be writing to our MPs. No, I don't hold out much hope either. Then the rules should be changed. And they could be, I'm not suggesting they will be, but they could be. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 3, 2023 14:45:45 GMT
But those are the rules: If you're an unemployable, recidivist arsehole then you're eligible for legal aid. But if you're a hardworking member of the public, you're not. Simples. Maybe we should be writing to our MPs. No, I don't hold out much hope either. We'd just be writing to a different bunch of tax payer scroungers. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 3, 2023 14:57:28 GMT
Ali Harbi Ali was a British citizen born and bred in this country. He was a bright young man but his life descended into extremism and he committed a heinous crime and was tried and convicted of murder.
Not quite sure what you are complaining about here Red.
Are you suggesting as your post implies that legal aid should only be available to Britons with white skin
Are you suggesting that legal aid should not be available for murder
Are you suggesting that legal aid should be available for all matters
All of those would surely be no.
Or are you suggesting that in this case the amount of legal representation and hence legal aid cost appears to be excessive. In that case I might very well agree with you.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 3, 2023 15:11:53 GMT
Ali Harbi Ali was a British citizen born and bred in this country. He was a bright young man but his life descended into extremism and he committed a heinous crime and was tried and convicted of murder. Not quite sure what you are complaining about here Red. Are you suggesting as your post implies that legal aid should only be available to Britons with white skin Are you suggesting that legal aid should not be available for murder Are you suggesting that legal aid should be available for all matters All of those would surely be no. Or are you suggesting that in this case the amount of legal representation and hence legal aid cost appears to be excessive. In that case I might very well agree with you. What! Are you for real? You claim you cant understand what I'm complaining about! A terrorist murdered an MP and is awarded £100,000 in legal aid, and you're not quite sure what I'm complaining about! I was going to say you need to wise the fuck up. But on reflection I think we all know that's not going to happen. Just to clarify: Terrorists should not qualify for legal aid. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 3, 2023 15:23:17 GMT
So you are saying people accused of murder should not get legal aid assistance to defend themselves at all or are you suggesting that people accused of murder via terrorism should not get legal aid assistance to defend themselves?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2023 15:58:14 GMT
Ali Harbi Ali was a British citizen born and bred in this country. He was a bright young man but his life descended into extremism and he committed a heinous crime and was tried and convicted of murder. Not quite sure what you are complaining about here Red. Are you suggesting as your post implies that legal aid should only be available to Britons with white skin Are you suggesting that legal aid should not be available for murder Are you suggesting that legal aid should be available for all matters All of those would surely be no. Or are you suggesting that in this case the amount of legal representation and hence legal aid cost appears to be excessive. In that case I might very well agree with you. It was an open and shut case. Don't we have a lawyer or two on the board? I would have thought they could have done the job for £500. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 3, 2023 16:01:19 GMT
So am I right in concluding BlackandWhite that you are agreeing with me that legal aid should be available for British people accused of murder including terrorist murder regardless of colour of skin but in this case the amount of legal representation given does seem excessive.
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 3, 2023 16:01:58 GMT
So you are saying people accused of murder should not get legal aid assistance to defend themselves at all or are you suggesting that people accused of murder via terrorism should not get legal aid assistance to defend themselves? Wow ....... just wow |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 3, 2023 16:10:40 GMT
Not sure about the wisdom of authorising £55,000 for the services of two barristers for the defence of what was an open and shut case.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 3, 2023 16:10:55 GMT
So you are saying people accused of murder should not get legal aid assistance to defend themselves at all or are you suggesting that people accused of murder via terrorism should not get legal aid assistance to defend themselves? Just to clarify: Terrorists should not qualify for legal aid. |
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Post by dappy on Aug 3, 2023 16:16:47 GMT
No one knows whether or not they were terrorists until after they have been convicted. That’s what the court case is for.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2023 16:50:43 GMT
I CAN fully understand the anger and resentment .... but
The law states that every person charged with an offence who is committed either for trial, or to the magistrates court is entitled to legal representation and / or defence.
If this murderer had no defence or representation, the proceedings would have been deemed as unfair, plus it could set a precedent for instances where people are charged with an offence, but are actually innocent, and we would not want such cases to be without legal defence.
If Legal Aid was to be withdrawn, the consequence would be that the defendent would face court with no legal representation, which is fine if the man is actually a murderer / terrorist, but again, what about cases where an innocent person is wrongly charged with a crime.
Its a bit of a conundrem
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