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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 29, 2023 22:10:52 GMT
If this is verified there will be a Nobel Prize speeding its way to Korea. Well done guys! It was a small start up from a PhD student doing quantum computers.
The theory is remarkably simple. As you should know from your scientific general knowledge, normal super conductivity comes about by pairs of electrons called Cooper pairs which form at ground state energy, i.e. close to absolute zero. They are locked into this quantised energy state so can not lose less than a quantum's worth as this breaks QM rules. They keep on at the same energy level so have zero losses to energy transferred to the vibrational modes of the lattice they travel in, i.e. what we call heat.
However there is more than one way to move electrons without incurring losses, which is the object of the game.
The reason this is so simple is it is to do with the very first thing you learn about when doing quantum mechanics. It is the first example in all the text books! This is known as the quantum well. It's easy to picture as a golf ball that roles into a depression in the ground. One solution is a simple harmonic oscillator, a bit like a pendulum but a particle trapped in a well. It's bounded by energy walls and it has not got enough energy to jump back out of the hole. The classical analogue is easy to visualise but with a quantum version it can "tunnel" out of it. The way this works is pairs of quantities in physics can not be specified exactly, such as position and momentum. The better you know the position the less well informed you are about momentum, and so also it works with say position and energy. We know where it is cos it is bound in the well, but that makes its energy uncertain so there is a small chance it will jump out of a well it does not have enough energy to get out of. Welcome to the strange world of QM. We all learn this as students. No one thought though, what if you create a material with a series of quantum wells in the molecular structure and the elections just tunnel from one well to the next. They do, and they do it at room temperature and have been tested to work at 400C at normal pressure too. They were published in Nature.
Edit: rereading this I spotted a mistake. The Nature publication was a claim published prior to this. It turned out to be fake so many mention that in relation to LK99 to suggest LK99 was a similar claim. Sorry for the confusion. These guys want to publish in Nature but can't really do so now without verification, which does not look too lightly right now.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Jul 29, 2023 23:24:40 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 30, 2023 21:28:40 GMT
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Post by Orac on Jul 31, 2023 7:11:09 GMT
I wouldn't get the bunting out yet, this is probably a false claim.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 31, 2023 9:17:54 GMT
I wouldn't get the bunting out yet, this is probably a false claim. i think it is like many of the posts that appeared in mainstream usenet groups like sci.astro.misc, to which you would often see a reply of the order of ‘i await further news with interest, but little hope’. As a real scientist i was trained to regard almost everything with a degree of scepticism but leave room for later amazement. So it is here.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 8, 2023 16:15:20 GMT
I wouldn't get the bunting out yet, this is probably a false claim. i think it is like many of the posts that appeared in mainstream usenet groups like sci.astro.misc, to which you would often see a reply of the order of ‘i await further news with interest, but little hope’. As a real scientist i was trained to regard almost everything with a degree of scepticism but leave room for later amazement. So it is here. Wiki has a running commentary on it.
It more closely resembles a type two superconductor but only superficially. The resistance is a fair bit higher than zero but we could improve a few orders of magnitude on copper so who the hell cares as long as it does what we want it to do. Some are managing to get some replication in the lab and the theoretical simulation looks promising. I think performance would depend on the regularity of the lattice. This could explain why some are not having any luck. Some say you need to bake it 4x to get the required material.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 8, 2023 21:07:04 GMT
I wouldn't get the bunting out yet, this is probably a false claim. not sure whether it is a false claim - the big question is can it be made commercially viable. What you can do in the Lab with massive amounts of funding rarely translates into something useful in the real world.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 9, 2023 1:58:40 GMT
It would easy to manufacture with mass production, and I believe it is reasonably strong stuff that looks promising to make cables out of. Many type 2s are ceramics so are very brittle.
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Post by jonksy on Aug 9, 2023 5:50:21 GMT
It would certainly be a game changer. That would be in the realms of perpetual motion.
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Post by Orac on Aug 9, 2023 7:29:45 GMT
I wouldn't get the bunting out yet, this is probably a false claim. not sure whether it is a false claim - the big question is can it be made commercially viable. What you can do in the Lab with massive amounts of funding rarely translates into something useful in the real world. The paper itself is odd because it doesn't properly support the claim of superconductivity. The claim is there, but not the full reason for the claim. Even the classic mag. levitation demo shows something clearly not actually levitating. There is no resistivity calc, just a graph showing resistance falling a bit low, a reader would have to calculate the resistivity himself by puling the data from graphs. I think they got ever-excited Yes - you are correct. It's not much use if it's still as expensive as cooling or is very a delicate effect
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 9, 2023 14:10:59 GMT
It would certainly be a game changer. That would be in the realms of perpetual motion. From the link
Recognise the name?
He's Indian.
I don't want to be accused of political incorrectness here, but in non-woke China I get Chinese telling me the Indians are scammers all the time, and another fact is they live next door. I could show you a video about Indian cough mixture if you like. It has so far killed hundreds of children and 25% of our NHS generic medicines comes from India.
Now in the LK 99 paper we are dealing with South Koreans. If you look at world education league tables you will see the South Koreans are top or second from top in mathematics. Chna's education is top ranking as well so Korea and China are at about the same standard. In Korea the kids work their arses off. Knowing these things I think it would be pretty ignorant to say that if an Indian paper is dodgy then that implies a Korean one is. You are looking at opposite ends of the spectrum. Koreans have made a lot of breakthroughs in the physical sciences and very good with their battery technology to name one field they lead the world in. I take them seriously. I do not take Indian claims seriously. It's all about track record.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 9, 2023 17:07:44 GMT
I do like it when our resident spokesman for the Peoples Republic of China is criticizsing another country for fake products...
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Post by sheepy on Aug 9, 2023 17:37:55 GMT
I do like it when our resident spokesman for the Peoples Republic of China is criticizsing another country for fake products... I get the feeling the Indians and the Chinese might have a border dispute you know.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 10, 2023 17:22:48 GMT
I do like it when our resident spokesman for the Peoples Republic of China is criticizsing another country for fake products... It is an endless source of amusement listening to the Chinese talk abut Indians. They have as many Indian jokes as we have Irish ones.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 10, 2023 17:25:34 GMT
I do like it when our resident spokesman for the Peoples Republic of China is criticizsing another country for fake products... I get the feeling the Indians and the Chinese might have a border dispute you know. Indians beg the Chinese for tech jobs, and the Chinese do their best not to employ them. It's like Indians do false idol worship in order to try and scam some dollars.
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