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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2023 19:49:28 GMT
Labour has lashed out at the Government's crime strategy, after convictions of people smugglers have dropped by more than a third since the Conservatives came to power. The party said the Conservatives need to replace the “outdated” serious crime strategy in order to properly deal with people traffickers and smuggling gangs. Only 253 people were convicted last year, compared to 398 back in 2020, new research shows. The number of prosecutions also fell by 25 per cent, despite criminal gangs bringing in a hefty £200million in profits every year. www.gbnews.com/news/migrant-news-people-smuggling-convictions-latest-labour-partyYou wont hear me saying this very often, but I absolutely agree with Yvette Cooper, when it comes to illegal immigration and controlling our borders, the government have spectacularly failed of that there can be little doubt. But, do I trust Labour to sort this mess out? Not a snowballs chance in hell. With an election on the horizon Labour are doing exactly what you would expect an opposition party to do, they're criticising the government and playing to the audience. When it comes to this issue, the borders and illegal immigration fiasco, anyone who thinks Labour will sort it out is away with the left wing fairies. Labours way of cutting immigration backlogs will be to let them all in, which will act as an even bigger draw than comfortable hotels, pocket money, and free mobile phones. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 28, 2023 20:32:14 GMT
So,the inability of Brexit to do what it promised as far as controlling he UK’s borders comes as a surprise now it’s pointed out by Yvette Cooper?
Frankly you’re still the squaddie you claim to have been, it was never going to happen once the UK cut itself off from the EU. Without full cooperation and understanding of how each country’s legal systems could be cooperatively employed, whatever promises the UK made would be so much hot air — once rubber dinghies crossed half way, they were the UK’s problem.
As far as convictions are concerned — the current administration is running something like three years behind!!! Add that to the UK’s MOD squirting confidential emails , meant for US counterparts to Russia’s allies, don’t you think the UK wanting to play with the big boys is akin to the dreams of a banana republic…
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2023 21:04:43 GMT
So,the inability of Brexit to do what it promised as far as controlling he UK’s borders comes as a surprise now it’s pointed out by Yvette Cooper? Frankly you’re still the squaddie you claim to have been, it was never going to happen once the UK cut itself off from the EU. Without full cooperation and understanding of how each country’s legal systems could be cooperatively employed, whatever promises the UK made would be so much hot air — once rubber dinghies crossed half way, they were the UK’s problem. As far as convictions are concerned — the current administration is running something like three years behind!!! Add that to the UK’s MOD squirting confidential emails , meant for US counterparts to Russia’s allies, don’t you think the UK wanting to play with the big boys is akin to the dreams of a banana republic… Brexit was, indeed is perfectly feasible. The only fly in the ointment is the fact that the vast majority of politicians don't want it. What's to be done when our our elected representatives no longer represent the majority? Who knows. Your knowledge of sea law is, lets be generous and say, lacking. The government could if they choose, perfectly legally stop illegals entering British waters, and any vessel that picks up illegals can under the United Nations Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) take them to any port, including where they came from. The only proviso laid down by the UN is that is must be a safe port. The problem is not the law, laws are in place to deal with the illegal immigrants. The problem is liberal globalist politicians who are pro cheap labour, pro mass immigration and above all, pro EU. The rest of your post is childish nonsense. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 30, 2023 11:50:29 GMT
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Post by patman post on Jul 30, 2023 14:23:22 GMT
So,the inability of Brexit to do what it promised as far as controlling he UK’s borders comes as a surprise now it’s pointed out by Yvette Cooper? Frankly you’re still the squaddie you claim to have been, it was never going to happen once the UK cut itself off from the EU. Without full cooperation and understanding of how each country’s legal systems could be cooperatively employed, whatever promises the UK made would be so much hot air — once rubber dinghies crossed half way, they were the UK’s problem. As far as convictions are concerned — the current administration is running something like three years behind!!! Add that to the UK’s MOD squirting confidential emails , meant for US counterparts to Russia’s allies, don’t you think the UK wanting to play with the big boys is akin to the dreams of a banana republic… Brexit was, indeed is perfectly feasible. The only fly in the ointment is the fact that the vast majority of politicians don't want it. What's to be done when our our elected representatives no longer represent the majority? Who knows. Your knowledge of sea law is, lets be generous and say, lacking. The government could if they choose, perfectly legally stop illegals entering British waters, and any vessel that picks up illegals can under the United Nations Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) take them to any port, including where they came from. The only proviso laid down by the UN is that is must be a safe port. The problem is not the law, laws are in place to deal with the illegal immigrants. The problem is liberal globalist politicians who are pro cheap labour, pro mass immigration and above all, pro EU. The rest of your post is childish nonsense. To my mind, it's "childish nonsense" to believe in fairy tales — and fairy tales are what the promises that the UK could control its borders better if it left the EU were. It was obviously rubbish at the time, and has proved to be so since.
Passing laws, making headlines with proposed harsh new initiatives, may keep the xenophobes cheering, but they (the laws and the xenophobes) achieve nothing...
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Post by Orac on Jul 31, 2023 7:15:05 GMT
The implicit claim seems to be that the uk can't control its borders.
..and this is, of course, a convenient lie for those who would rather we did not, including the various criminal interests involved in people trafficking.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 31, 2023 7:40:08 GMT
We are an island - anyone who claims that we could not, if we wished, control who gets to set foot on this island is being rather disingenuous..  |
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Post by patman post on Jul 31, 2023 12:26:38 GMT
The implicit claim seems to be that the uk can't control its borders. ..and this is, of course, a convenient lie for those who would rather we did not, including the various criminal interests involved in people trafficking. If it isn't a lie, why is the UK not controlling its boarders? If Sunak stopped the boats, the Tories would be home and dry, with a majority probably dwarfing Johnson's.
Or are you implying that the current Tory administration is a collaborating with "the various criminal interests involved in people trafficking"? Admittedly, that is more believable than the claim that by leaving the EU, the UK would be more able to cut immigration...
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Post by Orac on Jul 31, 2023 12:36:46 GMT
The implicit claim seems to be that the uk can't control its borders. ..and this is, of course, a convenient lie for those who would rather we did not, including the various criminal interests involved in people trafficking. Or are you implying that the current Tory administration is a collaborating with "the various criminal interests involved in people trafficking"? Admittedly, that is more believable than the claim that by leaving the EU, the UK would be more able to cut immigration...
Yes. The notion that the UK government has genuinely and in reality lost control of the territory of the UK, is just pantomime. Calling the various powers involved here, 'The Tory Administration', is a bit misleading. The UK government hasn't lost control of UK territory, rather the UK people have lost democratic control of the UK government |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 31, 2023 16:34:13 GMT
So,the inability of Brexit to do what it promised as far as controlling he UK’s borders comes as a surprise now it’s pointed out by Yvette Cooper? The govt has done NOTHING to take advantage of leaving the EU. We haven't torn up any of the EU's regulations or laws for example. We haven't left ECHR. Etc. So why should anything have changed? Brexit was the right thing to do but we've done nothing to take back control. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 31, 2023 18:09:32 GMT
So,the inability of Brexit to do what it promised as far as controlling he UK’s borders comes as a surprise now it’s pointed out by Yvette Cooper? The govt has done NOTHING to take advantage of leaving the EU. We haven't torn up any of the EU's regulations or laws for example. We haven't left ECHR. Etc. So why should anything have changed? Brexit was the right thing to do but we've done nothing to take back control. Cummon, what can the U.K. do on its own, by itself, a standing on the Cliffs of Dover shouting “you’re not wanted, go home”. Face it, events have shown that the U.K. has less chance of resolving the situation than when it’s economy wasn’t stuffed and it was a more powerful entity… |
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Post by patman post on Jul 31, 2023 18:16:15 GMT
Or are you implying that the current Tory administration is a collaborating with "the various criminal interests involved in people trafficking"? Admittedly, that is more believable than the claim that by leaving the EU, the UK would be more able to cut immigration...
Yes. The notion that the UK government has genuinely and in reality lost control of the territory of the UK, is just pantomime. Calling the various powers involved here, 'The Tory Administration', is a bit misleading. The UK government hasn't lost control of UK territory, rather the UK people have lost democratic control of the UK government People would vote the Tories back overwhelmingly if Sunak, etc, stopped the boats. But the people ceded control to both U.K. and foreign Brexiteer forces. Lead story in tonight’s London Evening Standard: 76% say Britain is worse place to live as taxes and NHS crisis waits take toll‘Snot our fault — the rest of the world’s all got it in for us — is that correct? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 31, 2023 18:22:37 GMT
Yes. The notion that the UK government has genuinely and in reality lost control of the territory of the UK, is just pantomime. Calling the various powers involved here, 'The Tory Administration', is a bit misleading. The UK government hasn't lost control of UK territory, rather the UK people have lost democratic control of the UK government People would vote the Tories back overwhelmingly if Sunak, etc, stopped the boats. But the people ceded control to both U.K. and foreign Brexiteer forces. Lead story in tonight’s London Evening Standard: 76% say Britain is worse place to live as taxes and NHS crisis waits take toll‘Snot our fault — the rest of the world’s all got it in for us… Are you surprised? Compared to what Britain was before mass immigration became trendy it is a shit tip today, but judging by the hoards that are crossing the channel every day, I'm guessing it's still not 'yet' as big a shit tip as the EU. |
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Post by Orac on Jul 31, 2023 18:31:01 GMT
Yes. The notion that the UK government has genuinely and in reality lost control of the territory of the UK, is just pantomime. Calling the various powers involved here, 'The Tory Administration', is a bit misleading. The UK government hasn't lost control of UK territory, rather the UK people have lost democratic control of the UK government People would vote the Tories back overwhelmingly if Sunak, etc, stopped the boats. This is the same reply you made last time. It doesn't help them if the democratically elected administration isn't in control. The UK public has lost democratic control of the UK government, the UK government has not lost control of the territory of the UK. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 31, 2023 18:54:07 GMT
People would vote the Tories back overwhelmingly if Sunak, etc, stopped the boats. This is the same reply you made last time. It doesn't help them if the democratically elected administration isn't in control. The UK public has lost democratic control of the UK government, the UK government has not lost control of the territory of the UK. Apologies, but that’s either total bollocks, or I don’t understand your convoluted thinking. (U.K. democracy means voters choose their government. If that’s not so, who do you think should be in charge…? |
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