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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 27, 2023 9:01:09 GMT
According to an opinion piece in the Mail by a female TV presenter of Ghanain extraction, the term ‘Global Majority’ is ‘sinister and insulting’ for people who are not white. Nana Akua, reported as being a regular on GB News (perhap Red can confirm) laments that the newly fashionable term cancels her identity as ________________ (fill in the blank) and lumps her in with all the other 'not white'. Which she says is ‘repugnant’. The outrage over the use of ‘Global Majority’ has apparently been bubbling up for some time, since it was coined by another female of colour, a Jamaican academic. It’s all come to a head following an announcement by University College London of a series of free tai chi classes for staff intended ‘'tackle chronic stress triggered by racism'. Evidently rather than saying ‘no whites allowed’ UCL chose to state that the sessions were restricted to 'staff who identify as black/people of colour/global majority'. Per Ms Akua this is simply adding fuel to the fire of ‘racial division’ which was already raging after Westminster Council announced it was replacing the acronym BAME (Black And Minority Ethnic) with the preferred phrase 'Global Majority'. So there we have it. Coloured, black, person of colour’, vismin, BAME and now ‘Global Majority’ have all come into and gone out of fashion. Just when we thought we'd landed on terminology nobody could possibly object to, up pops somebody who does.
What are we of the Global Minority going to do about it? www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12341741/The-Global-Majority-sinister-insulting-term-not-white-fashionable-new-phrase-peddles-racial-division-no-matter-new-jargon-invent-disguise-writes-NANA-AKUA.html
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 27, 2023 10:45:28 GMT
I'm not sure why you would wish to do ANYTHING about a term whose adoption or otherwise doesn't make one bit of difference to your life.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 27, 2023 12:36:16 GMT
So what would be your prefered term to refer to non-whites in the aggregate as the UCL attempted to do in its staff communications?
Or perhaps you feel that making such distinctions in the first place is somehow illegitimate?
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Post by dappy on Jul 27, 2023 12:55:00 GMT
Who cares what somebody surely most of us have never heard of thinks. She is entitled to her opinion. She represents only herself. We don't need to be outraged.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 27, 2023 13:08:00 GMT
Who's outraged? Perplexed more like.
Wally appears to have gone off to hide in the weeds getting ready to chuck his next spear, so in his absence what would your preferred term be? For non-whites in the aggregate, that is.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 27, 2023 14:06:29 GMT
I tend to say "People of Colour", "Black", "Asian", "Latino/a", "First People" etc - depending upon the context. Have done for years.
I've never been admonished about anything, so far as I know.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 27, 2023 15:30:56 GMT
Jolly good show but that's an answer to a question I didn't ask.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 27, 2023 15:40:00 GMT
Jolly good show but that's an answer to a question I didn't ask. Because I don't really have any strong views on such a minor matter. So long as the terms people use don't cause offence, I couldn't care less what an organisation says.
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Post by dappy on Jul 27, 2023 15:49:43 GMT
Walter got there before me.
Have to say I agree.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 27, 2023 15:56:59 GMT
It's not a minor matter to the people in the population cohort concerned - the non-white population.
They have a very keen interest in how they are referred to by the rest of us. It seems that every formulation that has been tried - from coloured to BAME to 'global majority' - has critics for one reason or another. It seems we can't please everybody no matter what we do.
So what's the answer? Just call them 'Them' or 'The Others' or even 'non-whites'? Might that work?
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Post by dappy on Jul 27, 2023 19:23:04 GMT
What is your evidence for the statement “they have a keen interest”? It might be for a few people but for the vast majority?
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 27, 2023 19:59:25 GMT
You may be right but rather than pursuing you down that particular rat-hole I'd rather return to the central question, which is how we (the global minority) are supposed to refer to the them (the global majority) in terms that won't cause widespread rancour. This is clearly an important matter otherwise it would not take up so much mental shelf-space and be the source of so much liberal angst in every country across the west not just the UK.
As it happens dappy both you and Wally can stop scratching your heads in search of a coherent answer. I think I have found one, but more later.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 27, 2023 21:18:26 GMT
As it happens dappy both you and Wally can stop scratching your heads in search of a coherent answer. I can't speak for Mr D, but so far as I'm concerned, please don't worry yourself. Not only have I stopped scratching my head - I never even started in the first place.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 28, 2023 9:15:42 GMT
So picking up the theme again, what ought we to be calling the non-white population?
Not for the first time great minds in Whitehall have risen to the challenge and have proposed a resolution to the knotty problem that confronts us.
I happened to stumble across a style guide 'Writing about ethnicity' that informs public sector workers about how to do it. There are a number of useful tips and tricks.
First, we're not to confuse race and ethnicity. The guide doesn't come out and say it, but the implication is that race is merely a social construct while ethnicity is a real thing. In government circles there are currently nineteen different ethnic groups, including White British.
The guide proposes that every other ethnic group should be referred under the collective title of 'ethnic minorities'. So that's the answer right? Ethnic minorities and not racially divisive terms like black, people of colour or members of the Global Majority.
But wait. There's a hitch here. The officially prescribed list of Ethnic minorities include a number of ethnic groups that are usual considered as white, specifically: Irish, Gypsy or Irish Traveller, Roma and 'Any other white background'.
And what about the White British? Won't they become another ethnic minority if (when?) they are no longer the majority, say around 2066?
So it's clear that ethnic minority cannot serve as a proxy for 'non-white' now and even less so in the longer term. It wouldn't, for example serve UCL's purpose in identifying those qualified to participate in its Tai Chi sessions. They're looking to include only those who have experienced "chronic stress triggered by racism.
The formulation that UCL could have used instead, rather than restricting the sessions to 'staff who identify as black/people of colour/global majority', would have been (per the style guide): 'staff who are members of any ethnic minority, except for Irish and those of any other white background who have no group experience of historical oppression. Not very catchy I agree but it has the great merit of offering a safe route through the minefield of identity politics, something not to be sniffed at these days.
You're welcome.
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Post by dappy on Jul 28, 2023 11:51:57 GMT
Blimey Dan, you do seem to be spending far too much time obsessing about what seems an unimportant matter. Can’t say I read all your post but mate, I know we all need to keep busy but couldn’t you find a more stimulating hobby - stamp collecting maybe or train spotting.
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