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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 25, 2023 8:55:21 GMT
Shouldn't this be moved to "Conspiracy Theories"?
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 25, 2023 8:57:14 GMT
Why?
Because a prominent and vocal tribune for leaving the EU is now hinting it hasn't worked?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 25, 2023 9:21:31 GMT
Shouldn't this be moved to "Conspiracy Theories"? You should be moved to conspiracy theories. The post you comment on was a bit of truth. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 25, 2023 10:58:30 GMT
The thing with Hannan is that he is preaching to the converted. Probably around 90% of the subscribers to the Telegraph have been demanding for years the type changes and reforms he highlights - the issue is that the Government are not listening. The consensus between all the major politicians in the UK is to tie ourselves to the EU and wrap ourselves in bureaucracy and red tape. They want an ever growing state where the lives of the people are strictly controlled - it makes their job so much easier. The reason that Farage couldn't get another bank account was that for decades new banks have been effectively banned from entering the market - the existing players spend a lot of money on politicians to ensure the the regulatory environment stops any challenger banks getting off the ground. The UK is tied to the high level of regulation/low growth model of the EU and no senior politician wants to change that. The EU does not decide what is on British TV. The fact it is demented should tell you why the economy is failing. you should take that up with Walter - thats his bag.. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 25, 2023 16:55:34 GMT
Shouldn't this be moved to "Conspiracy Theories"? Nice try Walter, but not on this occasion. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 25, 2023 19:50:16 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jul 25, 2023 20:28:50 GMT
Shouldn't this be moved to "Conspiracy Theories"? Politics is one long conspiracy. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 26, 2023 20:46:14 GMT
But he was right about the media circus surrounding Nige's bank account versus the almost total lack of media interest in more important things like Britain's productivity deficit and its chronic strategic economic imbalance. Somewhat reflected in the almost total lack of interest in Daniel Hannan's perceptive but probably by Brexiteer standards over-critical piece compared to the long running thread on Nige's banking difficulties which has attracted over a thousand replies and over 9000 views as of a few minutes ago. Go figure, as they say. Get a grip Dan, Christ you can be a snob at times. If you were debanked tomorrow would you be thinking about Britain's productivity deficit and its chronic strategic economic imbalance? It's a longshot, but I would have thought not. Yet tens of thousands of people have been debanked because their opinions conflict with the banking industries woke 'values'. This is not about 'Niges bank account' you pillock. Bye the way, Dan Hannan's article was very good, he always is good value. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 27, 2023 7:52:53 GMT
Dan Hannan said: "We argue about Brexit, wokery and Just Stop Oil as a kind of displacement activity. We would rather not recognise, let alone remedy, our longer-term problems. The only serious attempt to prioritise growth came from Liz Truss, and prompted outrage from civil servants, commentators and MPs, including many Tories.
It turned out that they did not want fracking, or cheaper child care, or oil and gas drilling, or lower stamp duty, or an end to the absurd IR35 rules than punish the self-employed. They did not want to attract top-rate taxpayers – that is, the people who pay most to the British state and claim least from it. Conservative MPs knew damn well that cutting top-rate tax would bring in more revenue, but they baulked at what they called the “optics”."
The government, our politicians, our civil service, the judiciary etc ALL seem to be bent on destroying this country both economically and culturally. I posted a few months ago listing all the ways in which various "actors" are trying to destroy the country, but no one was interested. All the government's policies are designed to lower growth - and as Hannan said Liz Truss's policies which attempted to stimulate growth were scuppered by a concerted attack on her personally (mainly by Sunak) which led to her removal - which was an anti-democratic disgrace.
"Net Zero" in particular is not only anti-growth but deliberately designed to shrink the economy - it's a deliberate attack on the capitalist system. The move to cut CO2 is perfectly designed to make everyone poorer and has already caused the outsourcing of our energy-intensive industry such as our steel industry, which won't even cut overall CO2. The massive increase in immigration (with no sensible minimum salary requirement) will also lower GDP/capita and cut efficiency. And Sunak's increase in taxes will also cut growth and his massive and pointless QE has destroyed wealth.
And the really stupid thing is that our politicians are trying to make this country a "world leader in Net Zero" yet we contribute less than 1% of CO2 and - even if CO2 contributes to warming - the UK is actually an area which would benefit from a bit of warming. And, in any case, deliberately making ourselves poorer will just make it more difficult to avoid the problems of warming.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 27, 2023 8:27:19 GMT
@ Red Rackham: "Tens of thousands of people have been debanked because their opinions conflict with the banking industries woke 'values'."
Please elaborate.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 27, 2023 8:37:42 GMT
Why? Because a prominent and vocal tribune for leaving the EU is now hinting it hasn't worked? The UK's woes are not due to Brexit, they are due to decades of not having decent savings options, decades of overinflation of the housing market, the Covid pandemic and now the war in Ukraine. Brexit is just independence from the shitty EU it is not a magic bullet that fixes "everything". |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 27, 2023 8:53:37 GMT
Assuming you are correct, how was leaving the EU supposed to cure the UK's chronic woes that you describe? Hasn't it just added more to the list?
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 27, 2023 10:55:17 GMT
Assuming you are correct, how was leaving the EU supposed to cure the UK's chronic woes that you describe? Hasn't it just added more to the list? Well as being in the EU for 40 years was not solving the UK's chronic woes, then perhaps time to try something different? |
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 27, 2023 11:07:42 GMT
Brexit is just independence from the shitty EU it is not a magic bullet that fixes "everything". Strange, then, that that's pretty much how it was presented by its proponents during the campaign. (I seem to recall the lines that it would transform everything from trade to agriculture and fishing, along with migration, and manufacturing. Oh - and let's not forget saving the NHS..) |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 27, 2023 11:29:16 GMT
Brexit is just independence from the shitty EU it is not a magic bullet that fixes "everything". Strange, then, that that's pretty much how it was presented by its proponents during the campaign. (I seem to recall the lines that it would transform everything from trade to agriculture and fishing, along with migration, and manufacturing. Oh - and let's not forget saving the NHS..) It's the only way to get it to register in the mass prole mind. You have to make the EU sound like some evil empire out of Hollywood's productions in order for the various neurons in their mind to activate.
That's all your fault of course!
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