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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 18, 2023 8:37:06 GMT
The government has announced it is relaxing visa rules for workers in the construction industry, including bricklayers and masons; roofers, roof tilers and slaters; carpenters and joiners; plasterers and other construction workers. These jobs have been added to the occupation shortage list meaning that successful visa applicants need only be paid 80% of the going rate.
Per the Home Office this change would “aid the delivery of key national infrastructure and stimulate growth for related industries”.
Come back Petrov! Come back Tadeusz! All is forgiven!
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Post by Bentley on Jul 18, 2023 8:42:13 GMT
Oh dear. Keep a lock and an air tag on your toolbox lads.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 18, 2023 8:45:32 GMT
1) We didn't kick EU migrants out. 2) A relaxation on visa rules is universal, not just for white EU passport holders Dan. 3) Those jobs are skilled jobs and due to short sighted myopic focus on academia, vocational skills training in the British education system has been lacking for some time.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 18, 2023 8:56:22 GMT
I'm aware the UK has a 'level playing field' Vinny so 'builders are as likely to be recruited in India as in Poland. In fact probably much more likely, few Poles have much interest in moving to the UK after Brexit. I'm wondering if we'll start to see Indian-style scaffolding going up around buildings under construction or repair as is the norm all over Asia. Builders will hope so it's got the great advantage for them of being cheap the occasional collapse notwithstanding.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 18, 2023 9:31:02 GMT
I think you'll find that Euroskepticism is building in Poland Dan. Many of them are not fans of the EU either.
The ruling Law and Justice Party have accused the EU of “not fulfilling its obligations with regard to Poland” and trying to create “total chaos in the Polish state”.
As the EU Commission have withheld €36 billion in recovery funds, the PIS have moved to a more progressive position regarding sovereignty.
And you know full well, our issue regarding immigration wasn't that foreigners coming here was a problem (it isn't), but skills and numbers and in some cases criminals are issues that matter.
The visa system gives us controls over economic migration that we did not have as members.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 18, 2023 9:41:04 GMT
The controls don't appear to be having much effect. Record migration in 2022, shaping up to be another record year. Of course that could be the plan. I'm actually quite up to date with Polish affairs Vinny. My brother lives in Warsaw and has done for the last 30 thirty years. What he tells me is that, in stark contrast to 2004, twenty years on he doesn't know of any Poles who aspire to move to the UK. I know from my own visits pre-Brexit it seemed every young Pole, especially ythose with qualifications saw the UK as an Eldorado and couldn't wait to go.
Not anymore. Brexit has left a sour taste in everybody's mouth. I note the same feelings in France and Germany. It's a classic instance of burnt bridges that may take generations to fix, if it ever is. Sitting in granny's basement you'd never know of such things.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 18, 2023 10:25:06 GMT
Just because we have controls, doesn't mean we have a competent government willing to use them effectively.
And Poland is bigger than Warsaw. I know quite a few Poles myself and have dated a few as well. The ruling party, the Law and Justice Party is getting pissed off with the Commission withholding funds and behaving anti democratically.
And Euroskepticism is growing in that country.
Btw, I've my own houses and my own business. Don't be a cheeky tw@. OK ?
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 18, 2023 11:01:20 GMT
The controls don't appear to be having much effect. Record migration in 2022, shaping up to be another record year. Of course that could be the plan. I'm actually quite up to date with Polish affairs Vinny. My brother lives in Warsaw and has done for the last 30 thirty years. What he tells me is that, in stark contrast to 2004, twenty years on he doesn't know of any Poles who aspire to move to the UK. I know from my own visits pre-Brexit it seemed every young Pole, especially ythose with qualifications saw the UK as an Eldorado and couldn't wait to go.
Not anymore. Brexit has left a sour taste in everybody's mouth. I note the same feelings in France and Germany. It's a classic instance of burnt bridges that may take generations to fix, if it ever is. Sitting in granny's basement you'd never know of such things. what made the UK such a delightful destination in 2004 then.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 18, 2023 11:21:12 GMT
I recall sitting around the dinner table with my brother, his wife and his extended Polish family, at around the time of accession. Playing Devil's Advocate I asked a provocative question "So what will Poland bring to the EU?". My brother's father in law, a retired colonel in the Polish Army smiled slightly, and waved around the table, saying 'Us'.
At the time unemployment was over 20% and Poles were eager not just to work but also to experience life in the West. What made the UK particularly attractive was the fact that it was one of only three EU countries that did not impose transitional controls on A8 workers as well as a perception that Britain was a friendly country, very accommodating to other Europeans especially Poles. That all changed in 2016.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 18, 2023 11:25:56 GMT
We are a very friendly country but we need an immigration system based on skills, not passports.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 18, 2023 11:45:00 GMT
Have you ever perused the Skilled Visa Occupations list Vinny? It lists the job titles that qualify as 'highly skilled' for visas under the shiny new post-Brexit 'Australian-style' system.
Last time I looked it included such highly skilled occupations as disk-jockey, pub manager, travel agency owner (very popular with Kurds and other entrepreneurial travel 'facilitators'), scrap metal dealer, help desk operator etc etc and so on. There are literally thousands of occupations on the list.
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Post by walterpaisley on Jul 18, 2023 12:09:18 GMT
disk-jockey, pub manager, travel agency owner, scrap metal dealer, help desk operator etc etc As one who wouldn't have a clue how to do any of those jobs, I'm perfectly happy to think that other people - wherever they're from makes no difference to me - have such skills.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 18, 2023 12:46:27 GMT
You don't think it might be prudent to apply numerical caps now that the work visa regime is so open, accessible and easily manipulable by sponsors? There is nothing at present, for example, to stop some thrusting entrepreneur from sponsoring disk jockeys from West Africa, the Caribbean or anywhere else they are in great over-supply and decimating the domestic disk jockey industry.
It might even land a little closer to home; occupational code 3412 (authors, writers and translators) is also on the list as is 3416 (producers and directors). Both occupational areas that Indians with ChatGPT skills might find appealing in due course.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 18, 2023 13:02:03 GMT
I recall sitting around the dinner table with my brother, his wife and his extended Polish family, at around the time of accession. Playing Devil's Advocate I asked a provocative question "So what will Poland bring to the EU?". My brother's father in law, a retired colonel in the Polish Army smiled slightly, and waved around the table, saying 'Us'. At the time unemployment was over 20% and Poles were eager not just to work but also to experience life in the West. What made the UK particularly attractive was the fact that it was one of only three EU countries that did not impose transitional controls on A8 workers as well as a perception that Britain was a friendly country, very accommodating to other Europeans especially Poles. That all changed in 2016. well Poland can hardly complain at Britain finally reversing what that piece of shit Blair did to destroy the identity of the country ….
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