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Post by Dan Dare on May 7, 2024 16:17:26 GMT
I did check it out and found it an instance of what might be referred to as 'Revisionism Lite', a grab-bag of quite unrelated themes cobbled together in service of a polemic. Quite reminiscent of the sophomoric efforts of wanna-be Nazis on their training wheels as you might encounter on Stormfront twenty years ago.
The general underlying theme of the piece that, at least in the early stages of WWII, Adolf Hitler had no particular animus towards Britain and its Empire is not a stunning new revelation. It has been known about since at least the time of the publication of the second volume of Mein Kampf in 1961.
I would also take issue with the claim that 'Operation Sealion', the 1940 plan for the invasion of England, was merely a 'theory'. There have also never been been any sources which document the 'secret peace offerings' that Hitler is supposed to have extended to Britain in 1939-40.
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Post by Pacifico on May 7, 2024 17:19:45 GMT
Baron - have you ever considered it might not be totally wise to believe the claims of some anonymous guy on the internet who refuses to cite any evidence in support of his contentions?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 7, 2024 17:51:21 GMT
Baron - have you ever considered it might not be totally wise to believe the claims of some anonymous guy on the internet who refuses to cite any evidence in support of his contentions? What do you see in front of your eyes? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 7, 2024 17:57:03 GMT
I did check it out and found it an instance of what might be referred to as 'Revisionism Lite', a grab-bag of quite unrelated themes cobbled together in service of a polemic. Quite reminiscent of the sophomoric efforts of wanna-be Nazis on their training wheels as you might encounter on Stormfront twenty years ago. The general underlying theme of the piece that, at least in the early stages of WWII, Adolf Hitler had no particular animus towards Britain and its Empire is not a stunning new revelation. It has been known about since at least the time of the publication of the second volume of Mein Kampf in 1961. I would also take issue with the claim that 'Operation Sealion', the 1940 plan for the invasion of England, was merely a 'theory'. There have also never been been any sources which document the 'secret peace offerings' that Hitler is supposed to have extended to Britain in 1939-40. I realise it is a collection of points to make a point, but this is what we do on this forum every day. What I was interested in was whether you knew of where this claim of wrong information reported to Hitler regarding the Polish attacks on Germans living in Poland came from. Unfortunately the video does not appear to say, although I would expect it to have come from somewhere, whether that be a reliable source or not is what I want to find out. |
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Post by Bentley on May 7, 2024 18:02:01 GMT
Imo anyone who thinks that the British Empire and Nazi Germany could have got along fine if we didn’t go to war with them needs to give their head a shake .
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Post by Dan Dare on May 7, 2024 20:12:54 GMT
I think the question of the extent to which the scale of Polish atrocities against ethnic Germans swayed Hitler in whether or not to invade Poland in 1939 is irrelevant. It was going to happen anyway.
If you are looking for reliable sources one way or the other then Youtube is not the place to start your search.
Books and archives are where you need to start looking.
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Post by Dan Dare on May 7, 2024 20:26:25 GMT
Imo anyone who thinks that the British Empire and Nazi Germany could have got along fine if we didn’t go to war with them needs to give their head a shake . Interestingly enough, when it came to making a decision in May 1940 on whether or not to request Mussolini to enquire about possible peace terms the Labour members of the War Cabinet voted against, while the Conservative members voted in favour. It was Churchill's casting vote that decided the matter.
What might seem to us to be a foregone conclusion these days was anything but at the time in question, an understandable situation when we consider that even the people in power did not have anywhere close to the information that we have at our disposal today.
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Post by Bentley on May 7, 2024 20:38:37 GMT
Imo anyone who thinks that the British Empire and Nazi Germany could have got along fine if we didn’t go to war with them needs to give their head a shake . Interestingly enough, when it came to making a decision in May 1940 on whether or not to request Mussolini to enquire about possible peace terms the Labour members of the War Cabinet voted against, while the Conservative members voted in favour. It was Churchill's casting vote that decided the matter.
What might seem to us to be a foregone conclusion these days was anything but at the time in question, an understandable situation when we consider that even the people in power did not have anywhere close to the information that we have at our disposal today.
We had already gone to war with them . The point addressed if we had not gone to war with them at all. |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 7, 2024 20:51:31 GMT
We had already gone to war with them . The point addressed if we had not gone to war with them at all. The point appears to have eluded me.
Are you saying that it was a greater mistake to declare war on Germany in 1939 as opposed to choosing to continue the war in 1940? Or vice-versa?
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Post by Bentley on May 7, 2024 20:54:38 GMT
We had already gone to war with them . The point addressed if we had not gone to war with them at all. The point appears to have eluded me.
Are you saying that it was a greater mistake to declare war on Germany in 1939 as opposed to choosing to continue the war in 1940? Or vice-versa?
Ok. My point was this “Imo anyone who thinks that the British Empire and Nazi Germany could have got along fine if we didn’t go to war with them needs to give their head a shake .” |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 7, 2024 20:58:59 GMT
What leads you to say so?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 7, 2024 21:06:48 GMT
I think the question of the extent to which the scale of Polish atrocities against ethnic Germans swayed Hitler in whether or not to invade Poland in 1939 is irrelevant. It was going to happen anyway.
If you are looking for reliable sources one way or the other then Youtube is not the place to start your search.
Books and archives are where you need to start looking.
OK, but it would have been faster if you had already studied that particular time and place in history. The trouble is it is a very specific point. Why do you say it was going to happen anyway? |
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Post by Bentley on May 7, 2024 21:09:52 GMT
What leads you to say so? Well not going to war means just that . There is no reason to think that the British Empire and the third reich would have co existed in peace . |
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Post by Dan Dare on May 7, 2024 21:10:53 GMT
Lebensraum.
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Post by Bentley on May 7, 2024 21:13:22 GMT
lol.
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