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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2023 21:02:02 GMT
Remember Momentum ?
That Corbynite group created by Labour left winger Jon Lansman
Well now The Conservatives now have their own equivelant of Momentum called the "New Conservatives", consisting of 25 MPs who all came into the party in either 2019 or 2017, and mostly from Red Wall constituencies.
Whilst Mometum was a group aimed at championing and promoting Jeremy Corbyn and policies of the Left of the Labour Party, the New Conservatives exist in reality to try and save the members from defeat before its too late.
Rather right wing in nature, these populists will no doubt attempt to focus on Culture Wars rather than on real issues that affect peoples lives. Their opening shot is on immigration, and amongst their radical ideas is to stop issuing Health & Care Visas to people who want to come to the UK to fill the many thousands of unfilled vaccancies particularly in the care industry.
Tory moderates such as Tobias Elwood labeled the group "populist and isolationist" and other Tories told The Indipendent that this group "is the last thing we wanted"
and so the Civil War in the Conservative Party continues
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 3, 2023 21:34:50 GMT
LOL - you were doing so well Sid until you mentioned Elwood and the Indy. Mind you it kinda explains why you get most things wrong if you think that Elwood and the Indy are representative of the views of supporters of the Tories..  |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 3, 2023 21:38:16 GMT
Remember Momentum ? That Corbynite group created by Labour left winger Jon Lansman Well now The Conservatives now have their own equivelant of Momentum called the "New Conservatives", consisting of 25 MPs who all came into the party in either 2019 or 2017, and mostly from Red Wall constituencies. Whilst Mometum was a group aimed at championing and promoting Jeremy Corbyn and policies of the Left of the Labour Party, the New Conservatives exist in reality to try and save the members from defeat before its too late. Rather right wing in nature, these populists will no doubt attempt to focus on Culture Wars rather than on real issues that affect peoples lives. Their opening shot is on immigration, and amongst their radical ideas is to stop issuing Health & Care Visas to people who want to come to the UK to fill the many thousands of unfilled vaccancies particularly in the care industry. Tory moderates such as Tobias Elwood labeled the group "populist and isolationist" and other Tories told The Indipendent that this group "is the last thing we wanted" and so the Civil War in the Conservative Party continues Sid you need to understand why the red wall went blue unless you are of the opinion that is popular but false is that they’re thick according to people like that well known socialist lady Nugee. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 4, 2023 7:26:36 GMT
Perhaps a civil war is just what the Conservative Party needs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 7:27:41 GMT
The Red Wall seats went blue for two reasons (1) Jeremy Corbyn (2) Brexit Both those reasons now no longer exist, and the majority of switchers who went Tory are back with Labour, and thats why these MPs are now trying to save their skin, by pushing Culture Wars instead of policies that would actually make a difference to peoples lives, such as bus services, the NHS the cost of living and rising poverty. these  |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 4, 2023 7:53:37 GMT
The Red Wall seats went blue for two reasons (1) Jeremy Corbyn (2) Brexit Both those reasons now no longer exist, and the majority of switchers who went Tory are back with Labour Agree, although it's a soft support for Labour, it's more anti Tory than pro Labour. I think what will decide the next election is the amount of tactical voting that goes on. It's an increasing phenomenon, myself included, but it can only be exacerbated by anti Tory sentiment. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 4, 2023 8:05:26 GMT
The Red Wall seats went blue for two reasons (1) Jeremy Corbyn (2) Brexit Both those reasons now no longer exist, and the majority of switchers who went Tory are back with Labour Agree, although it's a soft support for Labour, it's more anti Tory than pro Labour. I think what will decide the next election is the amount of tactical voting that goes on. It's an increasing phenomenon, myself included, but it can only be exacerbated by anti Tory sentiment. Shouldn't you be crunching numbers on your computer Einstein? it is desperate measures because nobody likes them enough to vote for them, while between them they have created a zero trust amongst the public at large. |
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Post by om15 on Jul 4, 2023 9:15:55 GMT
I rather think that closing bank accounts for no other reason than political ideology is a real issue. These Stonewall deviants have infected all public institutions and are massively affecting people's lives and they epitomise the decline of civilisation in our Country, any opposition to this is to be applauded.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 9:27:54 GMT
I rather think that closing bank accounts for no other reason than political ideology is a real issue. These Stonewall deviants have infected all public institutions and are massively affecting people's lives and they epitomise the decline of civilisation in our Country, any opposition to this is to be applauded. The Labour Left are Corporate Fascist rentboys who have done nothing but promote sickness throughout the country.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 9:31:53 GMT
The Red Wall seats went blue for two reasons (1) Jeremy Corbyn (2) Brexit Both those reasons now no longer exist, and the majority of switchers who went Tory are back with Labour Agree, although it's a soft support for Labour, it's more anti Tory than pro Labour. I think what will decide the next election is the amount of tactical voting that goes on. It's an increasing phenomenon, myself included, but it can only be exacerbated by anti Tory sentiment. I support this colour because I'm anti-that colour. It sounds very moronic, especially when there's little difference between them other than colour. Perhaps it's racism? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 10:10:39 GMT
Shouldn't you be crunching numbers on your computer Einstein? it is desperate measures because nobody likes them enough to vote for them, while between them they have created a zero trust amongst the public at large. I'm sure this suits him just fine. Labour have always been about weakening the people to bring about Labour's authoritarianism. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 4, 2023 10:15:47 GMT
Remember Momentum ? That Corbynite group created by Labour left winger Jon Lansman Well now The Conservatives now have their own equivelant of Momentum called the "New Conservatives", consisting of 25 MPs who all came into the party in either 2019 or 2017, and mostly from Red Wall constituencies. Whilst Mometum was a group aimed at championing and promoting Jeremy Corbyn and policies of the Left of the Labour Party, the New Conservatives exist in reality to try and save the members from defeat before its too late. Rather right wing in nature, these populists will no doubt attempt to focus on Culture Wars rather than on real issues that affect peoples lives. Their opening shot is on immigration, and amongst their radical ideas is to stop issuing Health & Care Visas to people who want to come to the UK to fill the many thousands of unfilled vaccancies particularly in the care industry. Tory moderates such as Tobias Elwood labeled the group "populist and isolationist" and other Tories told The Indipendent that this group "is the last thing we wanted" and so the Civil War in the Conservative Party continues Tobias Ellwood is a pro EU fanatic who would like to take us back into the crappy Single Market. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 4, 2023 10:34:47 GMT
I rather think that closing bank accounts for no other reason than political ideology is a real issue. These Stonewall deviants have infected all public institutions and are massively affecting people's lives and they epitomise the decline of civilisation in our Country, any opposition to this is to be applauded. From what we're now hearing, it's the banks over-carefully deciding who's a Politically Exposed Person that's causing the trouble — and it's been happening for some time. This morning, Hugo Rifkind, Times journalist, divulged it had happened to him because his father was an MP.
It's a bit kafkaesque — David Davis, MP, said he's tried to help several people over the years faced with this same problem, but he's got nowhere with any banking organisation or government department. He said perhaps the security services approved the ability to do this as it removed the need to warrants and court orders if they needed to apply a ban...
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 4, 2023 12:59:10 GMT
Agree, although it's a soft support for Labour, it's more anti Tory than pro Labour. I think what will decide the next election is the amount of tactical voting that goes on. It's an increasing phenomenon, myself included, but it can only be exacerbated by anti Tory sentiment. I support this colour because I'm anti-that colour. It sounds very moronic, especially when there's little difference between them other than colour. Perhaps it's racism? That sounds like you have misunderstood what has happened. Most people don't really change from being left wing to right wing. Most people's ideology is fairly fixed. But yet the Tories got 43% in the general election in 2019, but are now polling at around the 25% mark. You have to look at two things here: A) Why has Tory support fallen? B) Where are those votes going to go to next year. Now, when you say not much may change, just the colour, I have some sympathy with that view, in many ways their policies as currently defined, aren't really that radically different, but the current government is seen as corrupt, self serving and incompetent. People are therefore willing to give Labour a chance, without thinking it may be much better. That's why the Labour support is soft and could ebb. My point really was about B). If the Tories are going to lose a lot of votes, where they go to really matters, hence why I talked about the increasing value of tactical voting. We have seen the effectiveness of it in a number of by-elections. These votes will go to Labour, LibDems, Reclaim, Reform and some non voters. I'm saying that tactical voting would exacerbate even large Tory majorities and could have a major impact on the outcome. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 4, 2023 13:40:26 GMT
Apparently support in polls is now mid forties to labour, low twenties to fushi rishi and politically he’s on his arse on a tea tray plunging down the slope of everest taking part in the luge run of his life.
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