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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 10:49:20 GMT
If there's no such as UK law, Hollyrood can legally declare independence. But it can't. And that's because it's subject to the British Constitution. Good luck arguing that the Constitution isn't law.  Why do certain folk have so much difficulty with concepts such as uk legislators legislating into different legal systems such as scottish or english law?
did nt the legal philosopher james wilson say there was no such thing as a british constitution?
There is such a thing as UK-wide law. Such jurisdiction as the Scottish and NI courts have emanates from this. If Scotland were an independent source of law, it could declare independence. It can't, because such laws as it makes are made only by authority of the UK-wide constitution. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2023 10:53:28 GMT
If there's no such as UK law, Hollyrood can legally declare independence. But it can't. And that's because it's subject to the British Constitution. Good luck arguing that the Constitution isn't law. Why do certain folk have so much difficulty with concepts such as uk legislators legislating into different legal systems such as scottish or english law?
did nt the legal philosopher james wilson say there was no such thing as a british constitution?
Wheiney's an academic lawyer that never left school, never stood in a court room and pretends a knowledge s/he never had. A simple troll, in other words. And best ignored.😉 |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 10:54:13 GMT
My views on this from the start are that 25,000 plus bank accounts are closed every year. Mostly on people who have no money and no voice. Think what you like. Well you should now celebrate - they finally have a voice with Farage speaking up for them. I hope so. Though the link to his site simply asks for support, it doesn't lay out any aims. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 30, 2023 11:02:48 GMT
My views on this from the start are that 25,000 plus bank accounts are closed every year. Mostly on people who have no money and no voice. Think what you like. Cheers Drippy. I think you're a dim liar. Well, when I say think I mean you've proved it. 🙂 My words on page 10 I wouldn't use your words but yes banking is an essential service, just like water and power.
Do you remember how many years the government fought to get the banks to offer a basic bank account to everyone and how pathetic they were.Now wind your neck in you lying arsehole. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 11:03:08 GMT
Why do certain folk have so much difficulty with concepts such as uk legislators legislating into different legal systems such as scottish or english law?
did nt the legal philosopher james wilson say there was no such thing as a british constitution?
There is such a thing as UK-wide law. Such jurisdiction as the Scottish and NI courts have emanates from this. If Scotland were an independent source of law, it could declare independence. It can't, because such laws as it makes are done only by authority of the UK-wide constitution. one miute you claim there is uk law ,the next you argue semantics and claim ther is no uk wide law. I think we have demonstarted you are talking bollocks as normal.
dont understand whatever puerile point you are trying to make.? Scotlands legal system and laws go back to antiquity , and their continuation in the union was a key plank of the agreement of the scottish political elite signing the treaty.
The highest court in scotland is the court of session in edinburgh , and english law does not apply in any way shape or form. Northern ireland( like formerly the rest of ireland) and wales were forced to abandon their native legal systems and adopt english law. Despite this , wales became part of the english legal jurisdiction , while ireland(northern ireland ) remained seperate. So what are you talking about? The scottish courts jurisdiction emanates from what?
false dichotomy. Scotland is an independent source of law , in terms of what the laws are and the legal system as a whole as we know , but from 1707 to 1999 , laws passed by uk legislators in westminster were passed into the scottish system , then from 1999 certain devolved laws were passed by holyrood.
The uk parliament was subject to EU law , but still declared independence from brussells. Not sure of your point. Again . Im not sure you are either. There isnt a country in history that has been part of an empire that wasnt told it couldnt legally be independent of that empire , but it still didnt stop it happeneing.
well i knew the basics of the fact there is and never has been something called uk law. i know its hard to accept reality from new labour la la land , but sometimes you need to accpet you are talking bollocks and then move on .
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 11:04:14 GMT
There is such a thing as UK-wide law. Such jurisdiction as the Scottish and NI courts have emanates from this. If Scotland were an independent source of law, it could declare independence. It can't, because such laws as it makes are done only by authority of the UK-wide constitution. one miute you claim there is uk law ,the next you argue semantics and claim ther is no uk wide law. I think we have demonstarted you are talking bollocks as normal.
dont understand whatever puerile point you are trying to make.? Scotlands legal system and laws go back to antiquity , and their continuation in the union was a key plank of the agreement of the scottish political elite signing the treaty.
The highest court in scotland is the court of session in edinburgh , and english law does not apply in any way shape or form. Northern ireland( like formerly the rest of ireland) and wales were forced to abandon their native legal systems and adopt english law. Despite this , wales became part of the english legal jurisdiction , while ireland(northern ireland ) remained seperate. So what are you talking about? The scottish courts jurisdiction emanates from what?
false dichotomy. Scotland is an independent source of law , in terms of what the laws are and the legal system as a whole as we know , but from 1707 to 1999 , laws passed by uk legislators in westminster were passed into the scottish system , then from 1999 certain devolved laws were passed by holyrood.
The uk parliament was subject to EU law , but still declared independence from brussells. Not sure of your point. Again . Im not sure you are either. There isnt a country in history that has been part of an empire that wasnt told it couldnt legally be independent of that empire , but it still didnt stop it happeneing.
well i knew the basics of the fact there is and never has been something called uk law. i know its hard to accept reality from new labour la la land , but sometimes you need to accpet you are talking bollocks and then move on .
For fuck's sake, Toejam. How many times have I told you to keep your posts short? I can tolerate you, but only if you're brief. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 11:05:38 GMT
Why do certain folk have so much difficulty with concepts such as uk legislators legislating into different legal systems such as scottish or english law?
did nt the legal philosopher james wilson say there was no such thing as a british constitution?
Wheiney's an academic lawyer that never left school, never stood in a court room and pretends a knowledge s/he never had. A simple troll, in other words. And best ignored.😉 i like listening to his spotty nosed teenager fairytale rants from his basement flat in labour party la la land.
we see the same personal characteristic in this thread with darling as we saw with zany , the constant pivot. It seems to be endemic among new labour supporters.
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 11:06:33 GMT
There is such a thing as UK-wide law. Such jurisdiction as the Scottish and NI courts have emanates from this. If Scotland were an independent source of law, it could declare independence. It can't, because such laws as it makes are done only by authority of the UK-wide constitution. one miute you claim there is uk law ,the next you argue semantics and claim ther is no uk wide law. I think we have demonstarted you are talking bollocks as normal.
dont understand whatever puerile point you are trying to make.? Scotlands legal system and laws go back to antiquity , and their continuation in the union was a key plank of the agreement of the scottish political elite signing the treaty.
The highest court in scotland is the court of session in edinburgh , and english law does not apply in any way shape or form. Northern ireland( like formerly the rest of ireland) and wales were forced to abandon their native legal systems and adopt english law. Despite this , wales became part of the english legal jurisdiction , while ireland(northern ireland ) remained seperate. So what are you talking about? The scottish courts jurisdiction emanates from what?
false dichotomy. Scotland is an independent source of law , in terms of what the laws are and the legal system as a whole as we know , but from 1707 to 1999 , laws passed by uk legislators in westminster were passed into the scottish system , then from 1999 certain devolved laws were passed by holyrood.
The uk parliament was subject to EU law , but still declared independence from brussells. Not sure of your point. Again . Im not sure you are either. There isnt a country in history that has been part of an empire that wasnt told it couldnt legally be independent of that empire , but it still didnt stop it happeneing.
well i knew the basics of the fact there is and never has been something called uk law. i know its hard to accept reality from new labour la la land , but sometimes you need to accpet you are talking bollocks and then move on .
I haven't read this, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it's another instance of TOEJAM'S LAW. Toejam's law dictates that every thread Toejam involves himself in will turn to the subject of Scottish independence. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 11:08:31 GMT
one miute you claim there is uk law ,the next you argue semantics and claim ther is no uk wide law. I think we have demonstarted you are talking bollocks as normal.
dont understand whatever puerile point you are trying to make.? Scotlands legal system and laws go back to antiquity , and their continuation in the union was a key plank of the agreement of the scottish political elite signing the treaty.
The highest court in scotland is the court of session in edinburgh , and english law does not apply in any way shape or form. Northern ireland( like formerly the rest of ireland) and wales were forced to abandon their native legal systems and adopt english law. Despite this , wales became part of the english legal jurisdiction , while ireland(northern ireland ) remained seperate. So what are you talking about? The scottish courts jurisdiction emanates from what?
false dichotomy. Scotland is an independent source of law , in terms of what the laws are and the legal system as a whole as we know , but from 1707 to 1999 , laws passed by uk legislators in westminster were passed into the scottish system , then from 1999 certain devolved laws were passed by holyrood.
The uk parliament was subject to EU law , but still declared independence from brussells. Not sure of your point. Again . Im not sure you are either. There isnt a country in history that has been part of an empire that wasnt told it couldnt legally be independent of that empire , but it still didnt stop it happeneing.
well i knew the basics of the fact there is and never has been something called uk law. i know its hard to accept reality from new labour la la land , but sometimes you need to accpet you are talking bollocks and then move on .
For fuck's sake, Toejam. How many times have I told you to keep your posts short? I can tolerate you, but only if you're brief. ok darling. I will give you a moment to compose yourself and try and at least answer my points. Did you know for exmaple scottish law originates among the old brehon law system that once covered scotland and ireland? Brehon comes from gaelic , and it means to judge.
Added into it from the 12th century onwards is elements of roman , dutch , french law , completely different to england. Especially scottish ciminal law and common law.
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 11:10:03 GMT
one miute you claim there is uk law ,the next you argue semantics and claim ther is no uk wide law. I think we have demonstarted you are talking bollocks as normal.
dont understand whatever puerile point you are trying to make.? Scotlands legal system and laws go back to antiquity , and their continuation in the union was a key plank of the agreement of the scottish political elite signing the treaty.
The highest court in scotland is the court of session in edinburgh , and english law does not apply in any way shape or form. Northern ireland( like formerly the rest of ireland) and wales were forced to abandon their native legal systems and adopt english law. Despite this , wales became part of the english legal jurisdiction , while ireland(northern ireland ) remained seperate. So what are you talking about? The scottish courts jurisdiction emanates from what?
false dichotomy. Scotland is an independent source of law , in terms of what the laws are and the legal system as a whole as we know , but from 1707 to 1999 , laws passed by uk legislators in westminster were passed into the scottish system , then from 1999 certain devolved laws were passed by holyrood.
The uk parliament was subject to EU law , but still declared independence from brussells. Not sure of your point. Again . Im not sure you are either. There isnt a country in history that has been part of an empire that wasnt told it couldnt legally be independent of that empire , but it still didnt stop it happeneing.
well i knew the basics of the fact there is and never has been something called uk law. i know its hard to accept reality from new labour la la land , but sometimes you need to accpet you are talking bollocks and then move on .
I haven't read this, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it's another instance of TOEJAM'S LAW. Toejam's law dictates that every thread Toejam involves himself in will turn to the subject of Scottish independence. i couldnt help pouncing when you made your schoolboy error while at the same time attepting to portray yourself as credible. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 11:10:15 GMT
For fuck's sake, Toejam. How many times have I told you to keep your posts short? I can tolerate you, but only if you're brief. ok darling. I will give you a moment to compose yourself and try and at least answer my points. Did you know for exmaple scottish law originates among the old brehon law system that once covered scotland and ireland? Brehon comes from gaelic , and it means to judge.
Added into it from the 12th century onwards is elements of roman , dutch , french law , completely different to england. Especially scottish ciminal law and common law.
I did not know that, Toejam. I do know that the constitution is Uk-wide though, and that your remark that there is no UK law is just more of your angry gammon bs. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2023 11:10:18 GMT
Cheers Drippy. I think you're a dim liar. Well, when I say think I mean you've proved it. 🙂 My words on page 10 I wouldn't use your words but yes banking is an essential service, just like water and power.
Do you remember how many years the government fought to get the banks to offer a basic bank account to everyone and how pathetic they were.Now wind your neck in you lying arsehole. LOL! What was that about black pots, Drippy? 🤣 |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 30, 2023 11:10:54 GMT
I haven't read this, but I'm going to go out on a limb and assume it's another instance of TOEJAM'S LAW. Toejam's law dictates that every thread Toejam involves himself in will turn to the subject of Scottish independence. i couldnt help pouncing when you made your schoolboy error while at the same time attepting to portray yourself as credible. Pounce away, Toejam. It helps pass the time. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 11:14:52 GMT
ok darling. I will give you a moment to compose yourself and try and at least answer my points. Did you know for exmaple scottish law originates among the old brehon law system that once covered scotland and ireland? Brehon comes from gaelic , and it means to judge.
Added into it from the 12th century onwards is elements of roman , dutch , french law , completely different to england. Especially scottish ciminal law and common law.
I did not know that, Toejam. I do know that the constitution is Uk-wide though, and that your remark that there is no UK law is just more of your angry gammon bs. did you even know we have differing courts , and sizes of juries ?
ah ok mate. first time ive been called a gammon , but i suppose in labour party la la land , everyone not part of the cult is a gammon.
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Post by thomas on Jul 30, 2023 11:16:01 GMT
i couldnt help pouncing when you made your schoolboy error while at the same time attepting to portray yourself as credible. Pounce away, Toejam. It helps pass the time. you are funny , in an uncomplicated basic way darling. The only person who thinks you credible on this forum appears to be yourself.
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