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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 10:34:56 GMT
Why am i not surprised you liberal lefties are the first to laugh .?
If there are a more disgusting political party than new labour and its dim witted supporters , then ive yet to see them.
I suggest you look at the nonsense you so often post, before pointing the finger at others. If by " nonsense" you mean me calling out the utter garbage posted by you and your new labour luvving friends , then i will continue to do it more and more often.
You single handedly manage to unite all the various and opposing views on this forum in condemnation against the new labour guff you punt on here. So three cheers for sir keir , new labour and their dim witted supporters.
What pledges has keir dropped today see2?
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Post by wapentake on Jul 1, 2023 10:35:33 GMT
And you are so blinkered by your distaste of brexit that we are as we stand now and such things as this can be legislated for within the laws of this land. Why can’t youundertand this is not about brexit? It's about consumer rights. Farage is complaining that he is being denied the right to be a consumer of banking services. The EU has been the primary source of consumer rights in the UK over the last 40 years. I'm enjoying the irony that the man who wanted to leave that is now whinging that his consumer rights are being violated. Tough luck if you don't like that. Yes it is about rights,not just consumer rights but the higher right to freedom of expression. The comment (has been the the primary source of consumer rights in the UK) says it all, has been being the situation now and that we have our own law and legislature to formulate such protection. Obviously the irony of your final comment escapes you,your opinion to me isn’t tough at all if you wish wallow in your corrosive hatred of one man you dislike and a vote you disapprove of carry on it’s your freedom to do so. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 10:36:33 GMT
Poor old Nigel. I shall send him a cheque immediately. jesus monte. A cheque? I read about them once in a history book mate. Just how old are you? |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 10:37:17 GMT
Thing is, the deep state which used to be most fearful of left wingers and which probably had a hand in doing a number on Corbyn because they saw him as an enemy of the state, now seems to be seeing enemies of the state on the right too. Farage is known to be Trump friendly and possibly suspected of being Russia friendly. I suspect that the deep state is doing a number on him. He is not as easy to smear as Corbyn because he has large sections of the media sympathetic to him. But if the deep state is able to put pressure on banks to close someone's accounts, they can do that person a lot of damage. It is even possible that the deep state has concluded that Brexit was a mistake which needs to be reversed and people like Farage stand in the way and thus need to be neutralised. Of course, all I have just said could be a conspiracy theory and nothing more, and whether or not all is as Farage has described it might also be in doubt. Nevertheless, if the deep state, probably in collusion with establishment politicians, can decide on who is an enemy of the state and target them in this way, even those of us who loathe Farage should be very worried. Because if the deep state can do this to an opponent, they can also do it to the ones on our side. Of course I acknowledge again that all this could just be a conspiracy theory of my own invention, fuelled by deep seated suspicions. But the possibility of anything like this actually happening is indeed a worrying one. Anyone who delights in an enemy being damaged by illegitimate means is a fool for accepting this. Because those same illegitimate means can be used against them and theirs too when it suits. Good post steve. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 1, 2023 10:42:02 GMT
It's about consumer rights. Farage is complaining that he is being denied the right to be a consumer of banking services. The EU has been the primary source of consumer rights in the UK over the last 40 years. I'm enjoying the irony that the man who wanted to leave that is now whinging that his consumer rights are being violated. Tough luck if you don't like that. Yes it is about rights,not just consumer rights but the higher right to freedom of expression. The comment (has been the the primary source of consumer rights in the UK) says it all, has been being the situation now and that we have our own law and legislature to formulate such protection. Obviously the irony of your final comment escapes you,your opinion to me isn’t tough at all if you wish wallow in your corrosive hatred of one man you dislike and a vote you disapprove of carry on it’s your freedom to do so. Farage supports the traditional libertarian model of contract law that allows one contracting party to exercise a right of termination for any reason he chooses. Under that system, one party can exercise a termination clause if he doesn't like how the other party has expressed himself. The system Farage favours has just bitten him in the arse. Don't get me wrong. I think that the English law of contract should contain a robust duty of good faith, and that the bank should not have been allowed to terminate in the Manfrog's case. At the same time, I'm enjoying the irony that he is whinging about the fact that he has weak consumer rights after campaigning to leave an organisation that has introduced more consumer rights into the UK than any other. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 10:47:51 GMT
Yes it is about rights,not just consumer rights but the higher right to freedom of expression. The comment (has been the the primary source of consumer rights in the UK) says it all, has been being the situation now and that we have our own law and legislature to formulate such protection. Obviously the irony of your final comment escapes you,your opinion to me isn’t tough at all if you wish wallow in your corrosive hatred of one man you dislike and a vote you disapprove of carry on it’s your freedom to do so. Farage supports the traditional libertarian model of contract law that allows one contracting party to exercise a right of termination for any reason he chooses. Under that system, one party can exercise a termination clause if he doesn't like how the other party has expressed himself. The system Farage favours has just bitten him in the arse. Don't get me wrong. I think that the English law of contract should contain a robust duty of good faith, and that the bank should not have been allowed to terminate in the Manfrog's case. At the same time, I'm enjoying the irony that he is whinging about the fact that he has weak consumer rights after campaigning to leave an organisation that has introduced more consumer rights into the UK than any other. Darling , you can spend all day trying to justify the unjustifiable , but what has happened to farage( and others ) is disgracefull.
You might not like the man or his politics , but clearly this stinks to high heaven in my opinion.
No amount of telling folk he reaps what he has sown , or dressing this up in law and weak consumer rights is doing anyone any favours.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2023 10:59:58 GMT
Pacifico is right here some people expressing their delight because they revel in seeing someone they don’t like being treated in this way,frankly they should be ashamed of themselves and their motives. Regards the ludicrous brainwashed by brexit comment it now appears a vicar had his account closed because he contacted a building society to ask why they were promoting lgbtq issues and politely by all accounts. He is entitled to his opinion and they could’ve replied their reasons but chose to close his account,interestingly he said they are a financial institution and should stick to managing finance,he’s right insofar as closing accounts because they don’t like someone’s views. Are the banks allowed their opinion as well? Should banks be forced to provide everyone a bank account? Yes - in todays interconnected world surviving without a bank account would be extremely difficult. If you support allowing businesses that supply critical services the right to ban people you could end up with the mobile phone companies banning people - that would cut them off from a range of government services and even prevent them from parking their car. And then what happens when it is people you agree with who get banned? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 1, 2023 11:02:48 GMT
Ironically all you can crow about is Brexit and whilst all who voted in that to leave be portrayed as idiots whilst elsewhere you project others rights and then happily and then gleefully celebrate the loss of another’s rights. This thread is not about Brexit or even Farage it is about individual rights which can and should be regulated by and legislated by our position outside the eu and will be with sufficient pressure across the political spectrum by any who hold freedom dear. Yes, it's about rights. Specifically, it is about consumer rights. The EU is all about creating and protecting consumer rights. The Manfrog is complaining that his consumer rights have been violated (he is saying that he has a right to be a consumer of banking services). Yet, he was a force behind the UK decision to leave an organisation that is concerned to protect the very thing he is complaining he doesn't have under UK law. You're so completely blinkered, you can't even see the irony of the situation. The EU's consumer rights would not prevent this case - theres irony for you. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 1, 2023 11:02:54 GMT
Farage supports the traditional libertarian model of contract law that allows one contracting party to exercise a right of termination for any reason he chooses. Under that system, one party can exercise a termination clause if he doesn't like how the other party has expressed himself. The system Farage favours has just bitten him in the arse. Don't get me wrong. I think that the English law of contract should contain a robust duty of good faith, and that the bank should not have been allowed to terminate in the Manfrog's case. At the same time, I'm enjoying the irony that he is whinging about the fact that he has weak consumer rights after campaigning to leave an organisation that has introduced more consumer rights into the UK than any other. Darling , you can spend all day trying to justify the unjustifiable , but what has happened to farage( and others ) is disgracefull.
You might not like the man or his politics , but clearly this stinks to high heaven in my opinion.
No amount of telling folk he reaps what he has sown , or dressing this up in law and weak consumer rights is doing anyone any favours.
I'm not trying to justify the unjustifiable. You mentioned another politician who had the same thing happen to him. I have every sympathy for him. He didn't campaign to leave an organisation that protects consumer rights. I think the Manfrog should have protections against what the bank did - I'm just enjoying the irony that he wanted to leave an organisation that wants to protect him from what happened. And the irony doesn't stop there. Wapentake keeps going on about Farage's right of expression. What laws protect the right of expression in the UK? Aren't they derived from the obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights? Guess who wants to leave that too - the Manfrog. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 1, 2023 11:04:57 GMT
Yes it is about rights,not just consumer rights but the higher right to freedom of expression. The comment (has been the the primary source of consumer rights in the UK) says it all, has been being the situation now and that we have our own law and legislature to formulate such protection. Obviously the irony of your final comment escapes you,your opinion to me isn’t tough at all if you wish wallow in your corrosive hatred of one man you dislike and a vote you disapprove of carry on it’s your freedom to do so. Farage supports the traditional libertarian model of contract law that allows one contracting party to exercise a right of termination for any reason he chooses. Under that system, one party can exercise a termination clause if he doesn't like how the other party has expressed himself. The system Farage favours has just bitten him in the arse. Don't get me wrong. I think that the English law of contract should contain a robust duty of good faith, and that the bank should not have been allowed to terminate in the Manfrog's case. At the same time, I'm enjoying the irony that he is whinging about the fact that he has weak consumer rights after campaigning to leave an organisation that has introduced more consumer rights into the UK than any other. That’s fine but this isn’t about the persona Farage and as I said in a post earlier this is about freedom and the the right to speak freely and I’d be as vocal were it a republican a remainer or anyone else. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jul 1, 2023 11:07:35 GMT
Poor old Nigel. I shall send him a cheque immediately. jesus monte. A cheque? I read about them once in a history book mate. Just how old are you? Too subtle a joke for you eh Thomas? I actually wrote out a cheque quite recently to pay back a loan from a family member. Because it was over a grand the bank refused to pay it twice and I had to go to the trouble of making a bank transfer. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jul 1, 2023 11:07:49 GMT
Farage supports the traditional libertarian model of contract law that allows one contracting party to exercise a right of termination for any reason he chooses. Under that system, one party can exercise a termination clause if he doesn't like how the other party has expressed himself. The system Farage favours has just bitten him in the arse. Don't get me wrong. I think that the English law of contract should contain a robust duty of good faith, and that the bank should not have been allowed to terminate in the Manfrog's case. At the same time, I'm enjoying the irony that he is whinging about the fact that he has weak consumer rights after campaigning to leave an organisation that has introduced more consumer rights into the UK than any other. That’s fine but this isn’t about the persona Farage and as I said in a post earlier this is about freedom and the the right to speak freely and I’d be as vocal were it a republican a remainer or anyone else. The right to speak freely is protected by the ECHR. Guess who wants to leave that. The Manfrog stomped all over consumer rights when he played his part in leaving an organisation that has introduced more consumer rights than any other in history. Now, he's complaining that his consumer rights have been stomped all over. Either you can see the irony or you can't. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 11:14:22 GMT
Darling , you can spend all day trying to justify the unjustifiable , but what has happened to farage( and others ) is disgracefull.
You might not like the man or his politics , but clearly this stinks to high heaven in my opinion.
No amount of telling folk he reaps what he has sown , or dressing this up in law and weak consumer rights is doing anyone any favours.
I'm not trying to justify the unjustifiable. You mentioned another politician who had the same thing happen to him. I have every sympathy for him. He didn't campaign to leave an organisation that protects consumer rights. I think the Manfrog should have protections against what the bank did - I'm just enjoying the irony that he wanted to leave an organisation that wants to protect him from what happened. And the irony doesn't stop there. Wapentake keeps going on about Farage's right of expression. What laws protect the right of expression in the UK? Aren't they derived from the obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights? Guess who wants to leave that too - the Manfrog.
Dont agree.
This isnt about consumer rights. this is about attacking someone due to their political position. The uk is perfectly capable of protecting and enhancing consumer rights in or out of the european union. Nothing more than a false argument , and does you no favours laughing at farage over this. It will backfire spectacularly on remainers , and once again turn farage into a martyr and hero.
come on mate , you are being silly here. Life went on , with rights protected and freedom of expression for hundreds of years before the EU came into being . im pro EU , and pro ECHR , but simply becuase you want to leave any of these organistations , doesnt necessarily mean you dont want to keep protections in your own country.
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Post by thomas on Jul 1, 2023 11:15:43 GMT
jesus monte. A cheque? I read about them once in a history book mate. Just how old are you? Too subtle a joke for you eh Thomas? I actually wrote out a cheque quite recently to pay back a loan from a family member. Because it was over a grand the bank refused to pay it twice and I had to go to the trouble of making a bank transfer. I got the joke monte , im just surprised anyone is still talking about cheques. They are almost obsolete now . |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 1, 2023 11:18:33 GMT
That’s fine but this isn’t about the persona Farage and as I said in a post earlier this is about freedom and the the right to speak freely and I’d be as vocal were it a republican a remainer or anyone else. The right to speak freely is protected by the ECHR. Guess who wants to leave that. The Manfrog stomped all over consumer rights when he played his part in leaving an organisation that has introduced more consumer rights than any other in history. Now, he's complaining that his consumer rights have been stomped all over. Either you can see the irony or you can't. I didn’t think you were intellectually challenged but your reasoning surely is. Forget your irony,the echr or Farages beliefs this is not about his beliefs or him as a person other than he like anyone else is entitled to hold them and should not be penalised for doing so. Final time this is about individual rights not Farage. |
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