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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 27, 2023 14:08:01 GMT
We read a lot of shit about it each day by the ignorant. I have today a report on it by a professional, and this is like a slide show of official graphs and figures of what is really going on under the bonnet. In other words this report cuts all the emotional crap and just looks at it mathematically, showing us how bad it really is, where inflation is coming from and so on. Please do have a go and see what sense you can make of it.
The prediction is that our politicians will continue to do stupid things to solve it without any hope of success. To me it looks like the UK has been playing the classic Ponzi game for years and this is a kind of rationalisation. Rationalisation of the market is wholly a good thing, but those who have Ponzi shares must be burnt in the process. If you bail them out you will just make the market even more screwed up and then you will have a crisis of confidence.
All bailouts work on the principle of taking money from people who did the right thing for the overall good of the economy and giving it to those who caused the damage so as to insulate the damage causers from their destructive actions. Say there are two identical people and in an identical job. One saves his money, buys at discount prices and all that and is OK and the other gambles it each night on the horses. A bailout is the prudent guy handing over his spare cash to the waster, encouraging him to continue his destructive lifestyle.
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Post by Toreador on Jun 27, 2023 14:14:19 GMT
We read a lot of shit about it each day by the ignorant. I have today a report on it by a professional, and this is like a slide show of official graphs and figures of what is really going on under the bonnet. In other words this report cuts all the emotional crap and just looks at it mathematically, showing us how bad it really is, where inflation is coming from and so on. Please do have a go and see what sense you can make of it.
The prediction is that our politicians will continue to do stupid things to solve it without any hope of success. To me it looks like the UK has been playing the classic Ponzi game for years and this is a kind of rationalisation. Rationalisation of the market is wholly a good thing, but those who have Ponzi shares must be burnt in the process. If you bail them out you will just make the market even more screwed up and then you will have a crisis of confidence.
All bailouts work on the principle of taking money from people who did the right thing for the overall good of the economy and giving it to those who caused the damage so as to insulate the damage causers from their destructive actions. Say there are two identical people and in an identical job. One saves his money, buys at discount prices and all that and is OK and the other gambles it each night on the horses. A bailout is the prudent guy handing over his spare cash to the waster, encouraging him to continue his destructive lifestyle.
I buy at discounted prices and play the gee-gees. my gambling success can be measured by having been banned by a major bookmaker. Oh and I've just read a load of shit.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 27, 2023 14:21:21 GMT
We read a lot of shit about it each day by the ignorant. I have today a report on it by a professional, and this is like a slide show of official graphs and figures of what is really going on under the bonnet. In other words this report cuts all the emotional crap and just looks at it mathematically, showing us how bad it really is, where inflation is coming from and so on. Please do have a go and see what sense you can make of it.
The prediction is that our politicians will continue to do stupid things to solve it without any hope of success. To me it looks like the UK has been playing the classic Ponzi game for years and this is a kind of rationalisation. Rationalisation of the market is wholly a good thing, but those who have Ponzi shares must be burnt in the process. If you bail them out you will just make the market even more screwed up and then you will have a crisis of confidence.
All bailouts work on the principle of taking money from people who did the right thing for the overall good of the economy and giving it to those who caused the damage so as to insulate the damage causers from their destructive actions. Say there are two identical people and in an identical job. One saves his money, buys at discount prices and all that and is OK and the other gambles it each night on the horses. A bailout is the prudent guy handing over his spare cash to the waster, encouraging him to continue his destructive lifestyle.
I buy at discounted prices and play the gee-gees. my gambling success can be measured by having been banned by a major bookmaker. Oh and I've just read a load of shit. The world does not revolve around what you do.
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Post by Toreador on Jun 27, 2023 16:17:02 GMT
I buy at discounted prices and play the gee-gees. my gambling success can be measured by having been banned by a major bookmaker. Oh and I've just read a load of shit. The world does not revolve around what you do. It's a real shit when someone can't start a thread of any interest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 20:58:57 GMT
The last time the UK economy did really well, with year on year sustained growth, low unemployment, low interest rates, low inflation, improving public services and low borrowing, was 1997 - 2007, up until the world wide financial crisis struck.
At no time since 2010 until today ( 13 years ) has the UK economy done as good as it did back then
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 27, 2023 21:36:00 GMT
The last time the UK economy did really well, with year on year sustained growth, low unemployment, low interest rates, low inflation, improving public services and low borrowing, was 1997 - 2007, up until the world wide financial crisis struck. At no time since 2010 until today ( 13 years ) has the UK economy done as good as it did back then Yes - the end years of the last Labour Government certainly fucked the economy..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 21:43:22 GMT
The three years of 2007 to 2010 fucked the economies of many countries, and had nothing to do with the government of the day. The banking / credit crisis affected many countries, as did the recession that followed.
What I would respectfully point out is that when the Tories scraped to power with the assistance of the Lib Dems in 2010, we had exited recession and growth was accelerating, but of course Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne soon changed that.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 27, 2023 21:52:24 GMT
The three years of 2007 to 2010 fucked the economies of many countries, and had nothing to do with the government of the day. The banking / credit crisis affected many countries, as did the recession that followed. What I would respectfully point out is that when the Tories scraped to power with the assistance of the Lib Dems in 2010, we had exited recession and growth was accelerating, but of course Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne soon changed that. LOL - one minute we are being told by the New Labour fanboys that Crash Gordon was just a helpless bystander who had no power or influence - next we are being told he was such a genius he saved the world.. What I would respectfully point out was that the Cameron/Osborne administration never went into recession..unlike the previous Labour one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2023 22:10:07 GMT
The three years of 2007 to 2010 fucked the economies of many countries, and had nothing to do with the government of the day. The banking / credit crisis affected many countries, as did the recession that followed. What I would respectfully point out is that when the Tories scraped to power with the assistance of the Lib Dems in 2010, we had exited recession and growth was accelerating, but of course Mr Cameron and Mr Osborne soon changed that. LOL - one minute we are being told by the New Labour fanboys that Crash Gordon was just a helpless bystander who had no power or influence - next we are being told he was such a genius he saved the world.. What I would respectfully point out was that the Cameron/Osborne administration never went into recession..unlike the previous Labour one. The government of Tony Blair never went into recession, but the government of Gordon Brown did The government of Cameron & Osborne never went into recession ( but they took us very close to one ), however the last recession in this country was 2020, under Boris Johnson.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 28, 2023 6:23:58 GMT
The last time the UK economy did really well, with year on year sustained growth, low unemployment, low interest rates, low inflation, improving public services and low borrowing, was 1997 - 2007, up until the world wide financial crisis struck. At no time since 2010 until today ( 13 years ) has the UK economy done as good as it did back then The UK economy did grow continuously when Brown was chancellor but it was done by letting in cheap labour from Europe and growing the state (public sector) to about 50% of GDP - which is a recipe for disaster. Historically the UK can support a state of slightly over 40% of GDP. Anything more leads to large budget deficits. And so it proved. Brown tried to resolve this problem by expanding the money supply by relaxing credit controls. And this also had the usual predictable effect of busting the banks. It was nothing to do with the "world wide financial crisis" - which wasn't world-wide BTW, nowhere near. It's true that the buying of worthless American CDOs by some of our banks (and Europe's) caused a credit crunch - where no banks would lend to each other because no one knew who was holding the worthless CDOs - but the cost of bailing out the banks was less than £120 billion and was recouped fairly quickly by the govt by selling the bank shares that the govt had taken in exchange for the bail out. Th real problem that the Coalition govt had when they took over from Brown was that they inherited the largest peace time budget deficit and a huge state - mainly made up of useless civil servants who did nothing but were paid a lot. It took a lot of time to shrink the state and during that time the BoE had to print money to fund govt borrowing. Basically Brown's economic record was one of total disaster and the near £1 trillion of money printed is actually now a major cause of the entrenched inflation we have. It's often the case that the solution to one problem just causes the next financial problem - and this is what happened with the out of control QE. And Sunak has just made that worse during Covid.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 28, 2023 6:32:43 GMT
As much as it pains me, but in truth politicians might blart on about it is all about the economy and how they will fix it, they have about as much control over the economy as the Baron has over China's foreign or domestic policy. So, although we would like to blame politicians for just about getting nothing right on this occasion Sunak is at the mercy of his own masters.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 28, 2023 7:02:05 GMT
Basically the solution to the problems that Blair/Brown left behind ("there's no money left") was to get the BoE to print QE and drop interest rates to virtually zero. So the Coalition decided to prop up asset prices. But there was always going to be day of reckoning when the money that the BoE had invested in govt bonds had to be paid back - which is now happening as the BoE is selling govt gilts at knock down prices. And we were always going to have to "normalise" interest rates which will knock asset prices severely.
Now is the time to pay for what Brown did to our economy.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 28, 2023 18:11:07 GMT
Basically the solution to the problems that Blair/Brown left behind ("there's no money left") was to get the BoE to print QE and drop interest rates to virtually zero. So the Coalition decided to prop up asset prices. But there was always going to be day of reckoning when the money that the BoE had invested in govt bonds had to be paid back - which is now happening as the BoE is selling govt gilts at knock down prices. And we were always going to have to "normalise" interest rates which will knock asset prices severely. Now is the time to pay for what Brown did to our economy. Or in other words all those sticking plasters were hopeless.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 28, 2023 23:17:14 GMT
Already explained how Crash Gordon ruined the savings options of the general public as well as wrecking private pensions with a tax raid.
The only decent investment option left was housing and his insanity caused the house market to go boom and bust.
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