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Post by Einhorn on Jun 18, 2023 11:36:58 GMT
Why? Wasn't the issue medical incompetence at the hands of 'inexperienced and inexpensive' psychologists. When someone suggests that you seek medical attention, it's implied that the medical attention should administered by a competent medical professional. Like I said, research it a bit more. There is more to it than so-called incompetence. You brought it up. Why don't you fill us in?
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 18, 2023 11:45:22 GMT
I'm still confused as to why Darling feels children should not be taught of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ in schools
I asked but the reply was a diversion. I pointed this pout, but was ignored
So i will try again.
Darling, are you opposed to schools teaching matters of a religious nature ? If so, then fair enough, but i strongly disagree
Your opening post referred to "young" children. At what point is a child old enough ? How does that compare to ages at which children are publicly paraded as members of a religious body that believes an innocent man conceived in a strange fashion to say the least was killed in a pretty gruesome fashion on a trumped up charge by an occupying army and that said person was also part of a divine threesome that provides access to an existence beyond death as we understand it.
Others have already mentioned that if the problem is teaching children about crucifixion as the punishment for certain crimes, then we rose tint far too much of the reality of "pax romana"
We already have a situation in which children are taught details of the christian religion but nobody seems to bother teaching them of the historic inter-cult warfare and violence inherent in "the religion of peace". Melissa seems strangely ignorant of the fact that two sects of islam have a celebratory marching session to mark the fact one lot cut the head off a preacher of the opposing sect, and that opposing sect then went on a fairly bloody riot as a result AND BOTH sects have a right old song and dance about it. And while i think on as I think i said in my earlier post other world religions have enjoyed a pretty bloodthirsty history.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 18, 2023 12:18:26 GMT
www.ft.com/content/a45a9a0b-5d2f-4c4a-b2ef-6a8796ea5d10 “ Under its original leadership, the clinic took a nuanced approach to distressed teenagers, using therapy to work out how best to help them. But it gradually became something more like a conveyor belt to puberty blockers, which were in turn the gateway to cross-sex hormones, and drastic surgery. This shift seems to have been driven by multiple factors, including money, a new chief executive and rapidly increasing demand. In 2007, the clinic was seeing about 50 children a year. By the time its closure was announced, in 2022, it was getting thousands of referrals every year. Time to Think exposes how shockingly little evidence there was for what worked — the studies cited were based on tiny samples — and how little interest there was in collecting more data. It is not even known how many people detransition. This lack of interest seems to betray a wilful failure to safeguard the wellbeing of the children involved. The leadership pressed on, even when its own survey showed that not all children thrived on blockers: many saw their mental health deteriorate. Barnes explains that a large number of those who sought help were suffering from multiple problems, including autism. As time went on, the number of prepubescent boys was overtaken by the number of girls, many of them self-harming or suffering from eating disorders. Yet the diagnosis didn’t change. By attending the unit, girls were on a pathway to drastic, irreversible operations such as “top surgery” — the casual phrase for the cutting off of female breasts. The central voices are those of the many clinicians who became concerned about the direction the Tavistock was taking . . . It is astonishing how long it took for anyone to act” In other words , children were abused and sacrificed in the altar of trans zealotry .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 12:45:16 GMT
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 18, 2023 14:00:01 GMT
www.ft.com/content/a45a9a0b-5d2f-4c4a-b2ef-6a8796ea5d10 “ Under its original leadership, the clinic took a nuanced approach to distressed teenagers, using therapy to work out how best to help them. But it gradually became something more like a conveyor belt to puberty blockers, which were in turn the gateway to cross-sex hormones, and drastic surgery. This shift seems to have been driven by multiple factors, including money, a new chief executive and rapidly increasing demand. In 2007, the clinic was seeing about 50 children a year. By the time its closure was announced, in 2022, it was getting thousands of referrals every year. Time to Think exposes how shockingly little evidence there was for what worked — the studies cited were based on tiny samples — and how little interest there was in collecting more data. It is not even known how many people detransition. This lack of interest seems to betray a wilful failure to safeguard the wellbeing of the children involved. The leadership pressed on, even when its own survey showed that not all children thrived on blockers: many saw their mental health deteriorate. Barnes explains that a large number of those who sought help were suffering from multiple problems, including autism. As time went on, the number of prepubescent boys was overtaken by the number of girls, many of them self-harming or suffering from eating disorders. Yet the diagnosis didn’t change. By attending the unit, girls were on a pathway to drastic, irreversible operations such as “top surgery” — the casual phrase for the cutting off of female breasts. The central voices are those of the many clinicians who became concerned about the direction the Tavistock was taking . . . It is astonishing how long it took for anyone to act” In other words , children were abused and sacrificed in the altar of trans zealotry . In other words, the children were treated by 'inexperienced and inexpensive' psychologists. As I've said, just because medical incompetence is demonstrated in one case, does not mean that the entire medical profession can now be safely ignored. That is just nonsense. You and the other gammons don't automatically know more about the best treatment of cancer patients than cancer specialists just because it can be demonstrated that 'inexperienced and inexpensive' cancer specialists somewhere in the world mistreated cancer patients.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 18, 2023 14:03:22 GMT
I'm still confused as to why Darling feels children should not be taught of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ in schools I asked but the reply was a diversion. I pointed this pout, but was ignored So i will try again. Darling, are you opposed to schools teaching matters of a religious nature ? If so, then fair enough, but i strongly disagree Your opening post referred to "young" children. At what point is a child old enough ? How does that compare to ages at which children are publicly paraded as members of a religious body that believes an innocent man conceived in a strange fashion to say the least was killed in a pretty gruesome fashion on a trumped up charge by an occupying army and that said person was also part of a divine threesome that provides access to an existence beyond death as we understand it. Others have already mentioned that if the problem is teaching children about crucifixion as the punishment for certain crimes, then we rose tint far too much of the reality of "pax romana" We already have a situation in which children are taught details of the christian religion but nobody seems to bother teaching them of the historic inter-cult warfare and violence inherent in "the religion of peace". Melissa seems strangely ignorant of the fact that two sects of islam have a celebratory marching session to mark the fact one lot cut the head off a preacher of the opposing sect, and that opposing sect then went on a fairly bloody riot as a result AND BOTH sects have a right old song and dance about it. And while i think on as I think i said in my earlier post other world religions have enjoyed a pretty bloodthirsty history. My point is that if it is 'child abuse' to inform children about the realities of their own bodies, it is also 'child abuse' to expose them to bloody stories of torture and execution.
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Post by besoeker3 on Jun 18, 2023 14:09:05 GMT
Thanks for the tip but I don't think so. I'm a bit beyond things with "Brief History" in the title and looking at the synopsis there's not much there to grapple with... What interests me is the development of Christianity and why and how it developed, especially within an occupation environment. Also, how and why it developed and supplanted all the accepted social norms to become the authorised "religion" of an Empire. The thing to get your head around that there was no organised religion within the empire (other than the Cult of the Emperor) until this thing called "christianity" started to spread. It spread so rapidly subverting and supplanting all other cults and methods of worship and sacrifice in all corners of the Empire.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 18, 2023 14:26:27 GMT
Thanks for the tip but I don't think so. I'm a bit beyond things with "Brief History" in the title and looking at the synopsis there's not much there to grapple with... What interests me is the development of Christianity and why and how it developed, especially within an occupation environment. Also, how and why it developed and supplanted all the accepted social norms to become the authorised "religion" of an Empire. The thing to get your head around that there was no organised religion within the empire (other than the Cult of the Emperor) until this thing called "christianity" started to spread. It spread so rapidly subverting and supplanting all other cults and methods of worship and sacrifice in all corners of the Empire.
There is no definitive physical or archaeological evidence of the existence of Jesus. “There’s nothing conclusive, nor would I expect there to be,” Mykytiuk says. “Peasants don’t normally leave an archaeological trail.” “The reality is that we don’t have archaeological records for virtually anyone who lived in Jesus’s time and place,” So should we continue telling children debatable "facts" about Jesus and his Cruefiction ?? Has the Turin shroud been properly investigated? The last time I heard it mention was when the Catholic Church refused to have it investigated fully.
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Post by Bentley on Jun 18, 2023 14:52:50 GMT
www.ft.com/content/a45a9a0b-5d2f-4c4a-b2ef-6a8796ea5d10 “ Under its original leadership, the clinic took a nuanced approach to distressed teenagers, using therapy to work out how best to help them. But it gradually became something more like a conveyor belt to puberty blockers, which were in turn the gateway to cross-sex hormones, and drastic surgery. This shift seems to have been driven by multiple factors, including money, a new chief executive and rapidly increasing demand. In 2007, the clinic was seeing about 50 children a year. By the time its closure was announced, in 2022, it was getting thousands of referrals every year. Time to Think exposes how shockingly little evidence there was for what worked — the studies cited were based on tiny samples — and how little interest there was in collecting more data. It is not even known how many people detransition. This lack of interest seems to betray a wilful failure to safeguard the wellbeing of the children involved. The leadership pressed on, even when its own survey showed that not all children thrived on blockers: many saw their mental health deteriorate. Barnes explains that a large number of those who sought help were suffering from multiple problems, including autism. As time went on, the number of prepubescent boys was overtaken by the number of girls, many of them self-harming or suffering from eating disorders. Yet the diagnosis didn’t change. By attending the unit, girls were on a pathway to drastic, irreversible operations such as “top surgery” — the casual phrase for the cutting off of female breasts. The central voices are those of the many clinicians who became concerned about the direction the Tavistock was taking . . . It is astonishing how long it took for anyone to act” In other words , children were abused and sacrificed in the altar of trans zealotry . In other words, the children were treated by 'inexperienced and inexpensive' psychologists. As I've said, just because medical incompetence is demonstrated in one case, does not mean that the entire medical profession can now be safely ignored. That is just nonsense. You and the other gammons don't automatically know more about the best treatment of cancer patients than cancer specialists just because it can be demonstrated that 'inexperienced and inexpensive' cancer specialists somewhere in the world mistreated cancer patients. This seems to be a common fallacy of yours ( and probably most leftie Gammons ) . You insist that only experts can decide then when the experts get it wrong they are the wrong experts . Leftie gammons use this fallacy with the Marxist utopia . When the Marxists get it wrong then they are the wrong Marxists . It quite laughable .
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Post by thescotsman on Jun 18, 2023 15:00:58 GMT
Thanks for the tip but I don't think so. I'm a bit beyond things with "Brief History" in the title and looking at the synopsis there's not much there to grapple with... What interests me is the development of Christianity and why and how it developed, especially within an occupation environment. Also, how and why it developed and supplanted all the accepted social norms to become the authorised "religion" of an Empire. The thing to get your head around that there was no organised religion within the empire (other than the Cult of the Emperor) until this thing called "christianity" started to spread. It spread so rapidly subverting and supplanting all other cults and methods of worship and sacrifice in all corners of the Empire.
(1)There is no definitive physical or archaeological evidence of the existence of Jesus. “There’s nothing conclusive, nor would I expect there to be,” Mykytiuk says. “Peasants don’t normally leave an archaeological trail.” “The reality is that we don’t have archaeological records for virtually anyone who lived in Jesus’s time and place,” (2)So should we continue telling children debatable "facts" about Jesus and his Cruefiction ?? (1) Apart from Christianity you mean? I don't intend being rude or condescending in any way but that's like saying there's no evidence of black holes...we know they exist because we can infer their existence from the physical effects they leave....probably a bad example but you get my meaning. Christianity grew out of something. Paul didn't just invent people and places and narratives because it was a slow day and neither did the author(s) of Q. There doesn't need to be physical evidence per se the effect of what grew out of the historical character is the overarching metric?
(2) I though that's what this thread was about but reading it...well who knows....anyway.... why not? I see no reason not to....unless there's a compelling reason against? I mean most people in the UK have a vague idea of what Christianity is and a vague inkling of what the Bible is but that's about it. Unfortunately, whether you like it or not Christianity has had the most profound impact on most of the world's culture. It's history and politics and art; basically christianity in its many cults have re-formed society from back when Europe and Asia were really "pagan" with no organised religion to being the single most influencial religion ever. And it effectively did it in about 400 years.....and basically through the influence of just one man...Paul.
So...yeah until there's a good reason not to...why not...saying that if I wasn't interested in history, I'd just argue that in the UK today its irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 15:10:07 GMT
In other words, the children were treated by 'inexperienced and inexpensive' psychologists. As I've said, just because medical incompetence is demonstrated in one case, does not mean that the entire medical profession can now be safely ignored. That is just nonsense. You and the other gammons don't automatically know more about the best treatment of cancer patients than cancer specialists just because it can be demonstrated that 'inexperienced and inexpensive' cancer specialists somewhere in the world mistreated cancer patients. This seems to be a common fallacy of yours ( and probably most leftie Gammons ) . You insist that only experts can decide then when the experts get it wrong they are the wrong experts . Leftie gammons use this fallacy with the Marxist utopia . When the Marxists get it wrong then they are the wrong Marxists . It quite laughable . The thread highlights the fact that the question is incredibly ill-thought out and obviously doesn't stand up to proper scrutiny. What's laughable is the command structure the Marxists have, where followers are encouraged to obey and proselytize instead of encouraging people to think. This is proven by the very fact that Marxists are all about banning everything out of their own insecurity, which is clearly insulting to everyone else. They are far worse in the education system than the story of Jesus. After all, if Jesus was alive today he would have simply been killed by some insecure Marxist fat bloke for challenging the state.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 15:23:35 GMT
Thanks for the tip but I don't think so. I'm a bit beyond things with "Brief History" in the title and looking at the synopsis there's not much there to grapple with... What interests me is the development of Christianity and why and how it developed, especially within an occupation environment. Also, how and why it developed and supplanted all the accepted social norms to become the authorised "religion" of an Empire. The thing to get your head around that there was no organised religion within the empire (other than the Cult of the Emperor) until this thing called "christianity" started to spread. It spread so rapidly subverting and supplanting all other cults and methods of worship and sacrifice in all corners of the Empire.
There is no definitive physical or archaeological evidence of the existence of Jesus. “There’s nothing conclusive, nor would I expect there to be,” Mykytiuk says. “Peasants don’t normally leave an archaeological trail.” “The reality is that we don’t have archaeological records for virtually anyone who lived in Jesus’s time and place,” So should we continue telling children debatable "facts" about Jesus and his Cruefiction ?? It's a religion based on faith and not a technical schematic of the universe. What's unavoidable is the fact that a lot of history has been built from these stories. An objective historical account of where we came from is important or else you will be left with ignorance, which is primed to trash civilisation as we know it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2023 15:58:42 GMT
I have come in late to this thread and have read only the first page but I would like to address the original question. Yes they should be taught about the Crucifixion but not just the gore as described but the reason behind it. Those of you who deny Christ had better brace yourselves since the point of Jesus' physical death was that He rose again. He proved that death is not final.
We have so many people who in denying this and demanding positive proof that they can see, touch and taste, have consigned generations to a place of no hope. They have removed the reason to live, to understand that this life is a chance to learn and grow, not with the focus on the shallow concept of the here and now and short lived thrills, with little value put to anything other than a man's financial worth and how 'famous' they might become, how much sex can be achieved either with one or many partners. How much alcohol will make you happy for more than a couple of hours and then they wonder why the biggest problem for the young is the suicide rate.
The anti faith brigade have taken away most of the hope of any kind of meaningful future, they have removed knowledge of Scripture in any real sense and reduced Jesus to a funny little man of little consequence. To those of us who fight against the anti Christ cohorts we do so in the knowledge that Christ lives and will take His place as Master of this place. It makes me sad that so many young people have been denied any kind of knowledge that according to those of us that believe, is essential to living this life in Grace and Joy, and are left with a vacuum.
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Post by besoeker3 on Jun 18, 2023 16:06:05 GMT
There is no definitive physical or archaeological evidence of the existence of Jesus. “There’s nothing conclusive, nor would I expect there to be,” Mykytiuk says. “Peasants don’t normally leave an archaeological trail.” “The reality is that we don’t have archaeological records for virtually anyone who lived in Jesus’s time and place,” So should we continue telling children debatable "facts" about Jesus and his Cruefiction ?? Has the Turin shroud been properly investigated? The last time I heard it mention was when the Catholic Church refused to have it investigated fully. Do YOU have definitive physical or archaeological evidence of the existence of Jesus?
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Post by jonksy on Jun 18, 2023 16:12:29 GMT
Has the Turin shroud been properly investigated? The last time I heard it mention was when the Catholic Church refused to have it investigated fully. Do YOU have definitive physical or archaeological evidence of the existence of Jesus? You are asking the wrong person mate. I gave up on religion when I was really young. No good asking a heathen like me.
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