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Post by jonksy on Jun 15, 2023 11:26:22 GMT
The ECO dream is over and electric cars and heatpumps are going the same way as the C5. WE keep pointing out what's happening but as per usual it falls on deaf ears by those who were suckered by no more than a snotty nosed delinquent. The increasing sales of EVs and cordless appliances appear to indicate it’s the entrenched Luddite type views — similar to the Fleet Street printers’ attitudes (where, ironically, the electricians took over) — that are struggling to keep up. Even Toyota has overcome its EV reservations… Wrong on all fronts. Ev sales have hit rock bottom and as for heatpumps. All the major companies have cut production on EV's and Oyota now only build EV' for the chink market. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 15, 2023 11:55:34 GMT
The price of low mileage compliant used fuel powered conventional vehicles is very buoyant, I don't want an electric car I will keep my present car as long as possible, Public Transport in not good even in London, as for rail forget it , unreliable and expensive.
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Post by patman post on Jun 15, 2023 12:17:54 GMT
China is a vast country with huge pollution problems, so it’s not surprising it employs clean technology where it is able. EVs are an essential part of tofu it’s activities. London EV black cabs, MG and Volvo are examples of China investing in Europe’s expanding EV market: Expectations for the medium and longer-term are solidly in agreement that electric cars will win hands down over dying internal combustion engine (ICE) sales, not least because European Union (EU) rules virtually demand the abandonment of traditional power. The forecasts hide the possibility of major controversies as Chinese carmakers win valuable market share. The EU may seek to protect the European auto industry if Chinese inroads become destructive.China will continue to lead the world’s BEV growth, while U.S. sales will burst through 1 million to 1,300,000 this year, GlobalData said in report.Tesla’s aggressive price cuts will pressurize traditional U.S. and European manufacturers who might have been looking forward to a cosy environment of easy money as BEV demand exploded. The Chinese competition will surely take this in stride in Europe.www.forbes.com/sites/neilwinton/2023/01/22/relentless-european-electric-car-sales-success-will-include-chinese-disruption/?sh=3e74edea3e7b#:~:text=European%20BEV%20sales%20will%20grow%20relentlessly%20through%202030%2C,of%2025.7%25%2C%20and%2010.9%20million%20%2857.8%25%29%20in%202030. Electric car sales saw another record year in 2022, despite supply chain disruptions, macro-economic and geopolitical uncertainty, and high commodity and energy prices. The growth in electric car sales took place in the context of globally contracting car markets: total car sales in 2022 dipped by 3% relative to 2021. Electric car sales – including battery electric vehicles (BEVs) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEVs) – exceeded 10 million last year, up 55% relative to 2021.www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2023/trends-in-electric-light-duty-vehiclesI don’t know where you pluck your data and opinions from, but they’re not from any sources I recognise… |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 16, 2023 8:02:31 GMT
It's true that PHEVs are very popular. But they're not in any way green - in fact they generate more CO2 than the petrol cars on which they're based. BEVs are NOT very popular.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 16, 2023 8:19:11 GMT
It's true that PHEVs are very popular. But they're not in any way green - in fact they generate more CO2 than the petrol cars on which they're based. BEVs are NOT very popular. The best-selling car worldwide in Q1 2023 was the Tesla Model Y displacing the Toyota Corolla.
Wrt to PHEV emissions, you'll be aware that this is a area of contention. The official (WLTP) measurements do not reflect actual driving conditions in 'empty battery' mode in which it is likely that emissions are as high if not higher than the equivalent petrol model. If only because of the extra weight of the battery and the generally lower powered petrol engine.
So in the real world somebody who regularly charges hundreds of miles up and down the motorway in his PHEV is likely to have much higher emissions than someone who primarily uses his for a moderate daily commute.
It very much depends on the usage pattern. If that entails predominantly battery operation then the WLTP figures will apply or at least something very close to them.
A petrol Audi Q5, for example, has a WLTP figure between 173 and 189 depending on model, while the Q5 PHEV has a WLTP of 35 (g CO2/km). In the real world it is likely to end up somewhere between the two.
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Post by patman post on Jun 16, 2023 11:58:31 GMT
It's true that PHEVs are very popular. But they're not in any way green - in fact they generate more CO2 than the petrol cars on which they're based. BEVs are NOT very popular. Where are you getting your information? There are diesel hybrids — less CO2, eg, Mercedes, BMW, Range Rover, Volvo, and Mazda.
The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) reports that 29,117 new plug-in cars were registered last month (50.5 percent more than a year ago). This result represents about 21.9 percent of the total volume (it was 16.2 percent a year ago).
All-electric car registrations increase even faster. In April, 20,522 BEVs were registered (up 59 percent year-over-year), taking 15.4 percent of the market.
Plug-in electric car registrations in the UK – April 2023
• BEVs: 20,522 (up 59% year-over-year) at a market share of 15.4%
• PHEVs: 8,595 (up 33% year-over-year) at a market share of 6.5%
• Total: 29,117 (up 50% year-over-year) at a market share of 21.9%
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Post by Handyman on Jun 17, 2023 12:42:52 GMT
But people in this country are living in dangerous buildings complying to standards that Tory donors have been promoting. So aren’t the people of this country who are living in approved buildings being taken for a ride by an incompetent government? It’s six years since 72 people died through the incompetence of those who survey and pass building standards and those who devise emergency service procedures. How much longer must home owners be forced to live in unsafe accommodation because they can no longer sell their properties?And how much longer must those who’ve lost everything wait for those responsible to be made accountable. I’m pleased I live in an ordinary terrace house built to the standards of 1850… Well get onto the arseholes who build the junk and the council inspectors who let them get away with it. I would not recommend a trip to Tower Hamlets all the new blocks of flats have been trashed graffiti and fly tipped mattresses all over the place , dirty litter strewn streets dirty shops selling cheap crap from Asia , Hackney and Dalston the same, shops are closing due to the new traffic calming measures footfall has fallen passing traffic has dropped can't stop anywhere, within days of it being introduced some shop keepers have surrendered their leases, |
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Post by patman post on Jun 17, 2023 13:13:37 GMT
Well get onto the arseholes who build the junk and the council inspectors who let them get away with it. I would not recommend a trip to Tower Hamlets all the new blocks of flats have been trashed graffiti and fly tipped mattresses all over the place , dirty litter strewn streets dirty shops selling cheap crap from Asia , Hackney and Dalston the same, shops are closing due to the new traffic calming measures footfall has fallen passing traffic has dropped can't stop anywhere, within days of it being introduced some shop keepers have surrendered their leases, Haven't been round every side street in Tower Hamlets, but I doubt if most of it is as you describe. It has quite a number of tourist attractions including Museum of London Docklands, Tower Bridge, Tower of London, etc. The skyline of high-rises not only houses people but a major financial centre.
Hackney and Dalston I can comment on — I live in N16 in the London Borough of Hackney and regularly shop in and visit Dalston. Ridley Road is one of the few street markets in London that can be compared to those in Paris and its suburbs. While there is the occasional bit of junk and litter, it's quickly cleared. LTNs are a pain for many residents, and a few shops and have shut — some citing new traffic restrictions, but others just not able to survive with higher costs and people spending less. But Hackney Housing does have its continuing problems, which is annoying for private landlords as they have to adhere to strict standards that the Council seem able to ignore...
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Post by Handyman on Jun 17, 2023 14:05:09 GMT
So I am liar according to you because you think differently, I have lived in London for 52 years, for four years I lived in Hackney then Plaistow then Islington, so I do know what saw day in day out.
I was in Tower Hamlets recently for a funereal walked all the way from Aldgate to get to the Church via the back streets , Ridley Road market compared with Paris, you have lost the plot no comparison with street markets in Paris, nor Barcelona Las Rambles, Ridley Road is only a few hundred yards long, the longest market in London is in Walthamstow
I do know where the Tower of London is and Tower Bridge which is in the City of London not Tower Hamlets , I hope you don't try and deliver letters to the London Museum , that is not in Tower Hamlets either it is in London Wall City of London again, I lived near it for two years.
No matter which City you go to behind the posh façade that is where the less well off live , London is no different, my best mate has a pub in Dalston we meet up for drink in there once a month.
My youngest granddaughter when her Uni closes she works in it to pay for her student digs she does the day and early shifts so she does not have to go home on the tube in hours of darkness, virtually every shop outlet and building in the main drag is covered in graffiti
If you had watched local London news when the new road measures were put in by the Council , it was the last straw for some shop keepers as you say due to rising costs and Covid, the changes mad finished them off.
Suggest you take a walk down the Commercial Road east bound as see what its like in the side streets, then you will see what I saw the Tube Station is a disgrace
However some of Tower Hamlets and Hackney are better then they were the Luvvies and well off have moved in, as for most of Docklands only the rich can afford to buy the penthouses
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Post by patman post on Jun 17, 2023 18:44:18 GMT
So I am liar according to you because you think differently, I have lived in London for 52 years, for four years I lived in Hackney then Plaistow then Islington, so I do know what saw day in day out. I was in Tower Hamlets recently for a funereal walked all the way from Aldgate to get to the Church via the back streets , Ridley Road market compared with Paris, you have lost the plot no comparison with street markets in Paris, nor Barcelona Las Rambles, Ridley Road is only a few hundred yards long, the longest market in London is in Walthamstow I do know where the Tower of London is and Tower Bridge which is in the City of London not Tower Hamlets , I hope you don't try and deliver letters to the London Museum , that is not in Tower Hamlets either it is in London Wall City of London again, I lived near it for two years. No matter which City you go to behind the posh façade that is where the less well off live , London is no different, my best mate has a pub in Dalston we meet up for drink in there once a month. My youngest granddaughter when her Uni closes she works in it to pay for her student digs she does the day and early shifts so she does not have to go home on the tube in hours of darkness, virtually every shop outlet and building in the main drag is covered in graffiti If you had watched local London news when the new road measures were put in by the Council , it was the last straw for some shop keepers as you say due to rising costs and Covid, the changes mad finished them off. Suggest you take a walk down the Commercial Road east bound as see what its like in the side streets, then you will see what I saw the Tube Station is a disgrace However some of Tower Hamlets and Hackney are better then they were the Luvvies and well off have moved in, as for most of Docklands only the rich can afford to buy the penthouses Not a liar, but maybe confused. Tower Bridge spans between the boroughs of Tower Hamlets and Southwark, near the Tower of London and the Old City Hall. London Bridge, is slightly upriver, spanning the Thames from the City of London to Southwark… PS: — the Tower of London is also in Tower Hamlets. I do not know the London Museum, but I do know that he museum of London Docklands is also in Tower Hamlets… |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 17, 2023 18:50:27 GMT
So I am liar according to you because you think differently, I have lived in London for 52 years, for four years I lived in Hackney then Plaistow then Islington, so I do know what saw day in day out. I was in Tower Hamlets recently for a funereal walked all the way from Aldgate to get to the Church via the back streets , Ridley Road market compared with Paris, you have lost the plot no comparison with street markets in Paris, nor Barcelona Las Rambles, Ridley Road is only a few hundred yards long, the longest market in London is in Walthamstow I do know where the Tower of London is and Tower Bridge which is in the City of London not Tower Hamlets , I hope you don't try and deliver letters to the London Museum , that is not in Tower Hamlets either it is in London Wall City of London again, I lived near it for two years. No matter which City you go to behind the posh façade that is where the less well off live , London is no different, my best mate has a pub in Dalston we meet up for drink in there once a month. My youngest granddaughter when her Uni closes she works in it to pay for her student digs she does the day and early shifts so she does not have to go home on the tube in hours of darkness, virtually every shop outlet and building in the main drag is covered in graffiti If you had watched local London news when the new road measures were put in by the Council , it was the last straw for some shop keepers as you say due to rising costs and Covid, the changes mad finished them off. Suggest you take a walk down the Commercial Road east bound as see what its like in the side streets, then you will see what I saw the Tube Station is a disgrace However some of Tower Hamlets and Hackney are better then they were the Luvvies and well off have moved in, as for most of Docklands only the rich can afford to buy the penthouses Not a liar, but maybe confused. Tower Bridge spans between the boroughs of Tower Hamlets and Southwark, near the Tower of London and the Old City Hall. London Bridge, is slightly upriver, spanning the Thames from the City of London to Southwark… I do know I still live in London , but won't be for much longer if someone puts in a good offer on my house this year |
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Post by patman post on Jun 17, 2023 19:23:33 GMT
Not a liar, but maybe confused. Tower Bridge spans between the boroughs of Tower Hamlets and Southwark, near the Tower of London and the Old City Hall. London Bridge, is slightly upriver, spanning the Thames from the City of London to Southwark… I do know I still live in London , but won't be for much longer if someone puts in a good offer on my house this year Hope you get a good price — London is holding its house prices well, depending, of course, on where the property is. The last sale in our road (Victorian terrace, two floor with loft extension) was £1.2m — could almost get you into the stockbroker belt in Surrey or millionaires row in Sandbanks… |
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