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Post by wapentake on Nov 15, 2022 17:01:23 GMT
A squirrel indeed and like a squirrel you have a cache of well worn phrases to dig out in reply to various posters and from what I’ve observed often hypocritically. If you’ve nothing intelligent to add to this debate I’ll leave you to your nuts. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 15, 2022 17:01:24 GMT
I trump your squirrel with.. Look, an Aardvark! 😅 |
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Post by Orac on Nov 15, 2022 17:02:49 GMT
Zany, I have asked that question again and again , and nobody can provide a coherent answer to it that doesn't reveal it to be a systematic abuse of the UK people.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 15, 2022 17:11:55 GMT
I'm suggesting that we opt out. The ECHR and our domestic HRA developed in the aftermath of WW2 and were designed to curb the extremist tendencies of rogue states. They were never designed to prevent the deportation of foreign criminals and I'm sure that they were never envisaged to become the farce that they are today. They were designed for different circumstances and are no longer fit for purpose.
Have you considered the ramifications of opting out? How the rest of the civilised world will view us if we say we're righting our own human rights laws? The loss in trade and tourism, the concerns from America about NI and the EU about its countrymen living here? Sounds to me like another shoot from the hip Brexit plan. All righteous damnation and no planning. Oh do behave. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 15, 2022 17:13:51 GMT
Zany, I have asked that question again and again , and nobody can provide a coherent answer to it that doesn't reveal it to be a systematic abuse of the UK people. Who did you ask? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 15, 2022 17:14:55 GMT
Have you considered the ramifications of opting out? How the rest of the civilised world will view us if we say we're righting our own human rights laws? The loss in trade and tourism, the concerns from America about NI and the EU about its countrymen living here? Sounds to me like another shoot from the hip Brexit plan. All righteous damnation and no planning. Oh do behave. Oh look an Aardvark! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2022 17:18:03 GMT
Have you considered the ramifications of opting out? How the rest of the civilised world will view us if we say we're righting our own human rights laws? The loss in trade and tourism, the concerns from America about NI and the EU about its countrymen living here? Sounds to me like another shoot from the hip Brexit plan. All righteous damnation and no planning. Oh do behave. I don't understand why it has to be all or nothing. It isn't like it was written in stone by an all perfect deity. Even Christianity has proven to be flexible.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 15, 2022 17:20:37 GMT
I don't understand why it has to be all or nothing. It isn't like it was written in stone by an all perfect deity. Even Christianity has proven to be flexible.
Well, exactly.
Zany seems to think that we lived in some kind of totalitarian regime prior to 2000.
Does anyone remember the 1990s when we had no trade and no tourists because of our terrible record of human rights abuses?
No, me neither.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 15, 2022 17:40:34 GMT
I don't understand why it has to be all or nothing. It isn't like it was written in stone by an all perfect deity. Even Christianity has proven to be flexible.
Well, exactly.
Zany seems to think that we lived in some kind of totalitarian regime prior to 2000.
Does anyone remember the 1990s when we had no trade and no tourists because of our terrible record of human rights abuses?
No, me neither.
Well other elements brought in to a discussion as you have here which adds to that discussion and is more than acceptable,what isn’t is your hypocritical posts to others doing similar. Breathtaking arrogance and hypocrisy. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 15, 2022 17:46:23 GMT
Do you actually have anything to contribute to this debate? Anything? Anything at all?
No, thought not.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 15, 2022 18:20:35 GMT
I don't understand why it has to be all or nothing. It isn't like it was written in stone by an all perfect deity. Even Christianity has proven to be flexible.
Well, exactly.
Zany seems to think that we lived in some kind of totalitarian regime prior to 2000.
Does anyone remember the 1990s when we had no trade and no tourists because of our terrible record of human rights abuses?
No, me neither.
Er Nope. Zany has never said it should be scrapped, that's you. Zany has never commented on it being unchangeable You have never suggested that we could look at discussing the changing of the ICHR with our fellow signatories. You suggested we just opt out. Zany even asked you "But are you suggesting international law is changed or that we opt out?" You said opt out, that's as all as you can get. We were signed up the international convention on human rights in 1990. No idea what you are talking about here |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 15, 2022 18:49:26 GMT
As far as I am aware a UK Court will not deport anyone back to their own country of origin or another country, if there is a real risk of them being killed tortured or persecuted for any reason such a religion, sexuality, or inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment in the receiving state,
Our Court only agreed to deport Abu Hamza to America as the UK pursued a policy of deportation with assurances [DWA] in the cases of foreign nationals suspected of terrorism, because the Americans assured us, they would not execute him if found guilty.
Foreign Nationals who have been convicted of serious crimes in the UK, unless any of the above applies, should be out as soon as they have finished their sentence, if they want to appeal fine do it when you are back in your own country
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Post by wapentake on Nov 15, 2022 18:52:59 GMT
Nope, there was always doubt over his conviction, the evidence against him was faked. Ronald Castree though, 100% DNA match, I'd hang him. I’m afraid that’s not true,the only one who believed him innocent for so many years was his mother,read about the case and see he was failed by his defence,so called experts who hid evidence that would’ve acquitted him,the police who failed at the time in a miserable fashion and the justice system too. Had this country still had capital punishment I don’t doubt he’d have been executed so all this illustrates why we need human rights legislation and the right of appeal as in this and other cases. I accept that the appeal system needs looking at and maybe human rights law too but that needs to happen with reasoned argument and not hysterical posturing from left or right. We are an advanced and civilised nation and need to act accordingly. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 15, 2022 19:21:39 GMT
...Had this country still had capital punishment I don’t doubt he’d have been executed so all this illustrates why we need human rights legislation... No it doesn't, we'd long since done away with capital punishment by then. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 15, 2022 19:29:17 GMT
Lots of people - you were one. |
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