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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 10, 2023 0:01:55 GMT
I don't know how old you are Einy, given your input thus far I would have thought... young. I tend to think you're quite switched on, you're certainly witty, on occasion. But your naivety shows through. You remind me of me, when I was a young pillock. Thanks for the good vibes, Red. I have always relied on the kindness of strangers. All heart, you know me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 5:36:48 GMT
One has to wonder why it took this long to come to the obvious conclusion.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 10, 2023 6:03:34 GMT
One has to wonder why it took this long to come to the obvious conclusion. I wonder why starmer hasn't done the same? I am sure you will have a coherent explanation wonky.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 6:53:55 GMT
One has to wonder why it took this long to come to the obvious conclusion. I wonder why starmer hasn't done the same? I am sure you will have a coherent explanation wonky. Thread about Johnson and you deflect, RRR.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 10, 2023 7:01:06 GMT
I wonder why starmer hasn't done the same? I am sure you will have a coherent explanation wonky. Thread about Johnson and you deflect, RRR. Well lets hope all those experts he relied on have crawled back under their rocks as well. But guess what?
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Post by jonksy on Jun 10, 2023 7:17:09 GMT
I wonder why starmer hasn't done the same? I am sure you will have a coherent explanation wonky. Thread about Johnson and you deflect, RRR. I caught the illness from you wonky.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 10:44:41 GMT
Let us have a closer look - shall we ? UXBRIDGE & SOUTH RUISLIP ( 2019 Result ) Boris Johnson (Con) .......... 25,351 Ali Milani (Lab) .......... 18,141 Joanne Humphreys (LibDem) ..... 3,026 Swing required for Labour to take this seat = 7.5% Target seat number 91 for Labour Current polling numbers (average poll of polls ) = Labour 15 points ahead of the Conservatives According to "Electoral Calculus" this seat based on current polling figures will be won by Labour
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Post by borchester on Jun 10, 2023 11:23:23 GMT
One has to wonder why it took this long to come to the obvious conclusion. I wonder why starmer hasn't done the same? I am sure you will have a coherent explanation wonky. Boris is concentrating on lower taxes and Brexit. Starmer does not want to do anything about the former and hopes that the latter will go away.
Personally, I think that Johnson will have a sod of a job making much headway, but it will be fun watching him
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Post by jonksy on Jun 10, 2023 11:25:07 GMT
I wonder why starmer hasn't done the same? I am sure you will have a coherent explanation wonky. Boris is concentrating on lower taxes and Brexit. Starmer does not want to do anything about the former and hopes that the latter will go away.
Personally, I think that Johnson will have a sod of a job making much headway, but it will be fun watching him I bet the price of popcorn will go up mate.
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Post by Toreador on Jun 10, 2023 11:27:17 GMT
I wonder why starmer hasn't done the same? I am sure you will have a coherent explanation wonky. Boris is concentrating on lower taxes and Brexit. Starmer does not want to do anything about the former and hopes that the latter will go away.
Personally, I think that Johnson will have a sod of a job making much headway, but it will be fun watching him Boris is under threat from Parliament making further charges against him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 11:44:34 GMT
Let us have a closer look - shall we ? UXBRIDGE & SOUTH RUISLIP ( 2019 Result ) Boris Johnson (Con) .......... 25,351 Ali Milani (Lab) .......... 18,141 Joanne Humphreys (LibDem) ..... 3,026 Swing required for Labour to take this seat = 7.5% Target seat number 91 for Labour Current polling numbers (average poll of polls ) = Labour 15 points ahead of the Conservatives According to "Electoral Calculus" this seat based on current polling figures will be won by Labour We can all make predictions and polling at the moment suggests that you are probably right. But you say it with a certainty that is unwise, because nothing is ever certain until the votes are counted. But Labour's clear strategy of trying to be a more competent version of the Tory party might well go down well with former Tory voters, and large numbers of people who are so fed up with the Tories now will vote for whomever is most likely to defeat them. So my money is on Labour taking this seat but I am not foolish enough to regard it as a certainty until the results are announced. As for Labour more generally across the country it appears that it is starting to look like an electable option for the kind of Tory supporters who backed Blair for a time. Whilst everyone desperate for change for the better are increasingly pinning their hopes on them, so desperate are they to be rid of the Tories. It is starting to look like the mid 90s again but with one serious proviso. Any incoming Labour government is going to inherit a far worse economic situation than Blair did, so it could all start to unravel much more quickly. In particular, all those desperate for change - indebted students, private tenants, all those who cannot afford to buy and cannot get access to social housing, the precariat in their insecure employment, need radical change in these areas. If an incoming Labour government fails to deliver it and looks like another version of Tory-lite, support from the struggling millions will evaporate very quickly. Housing policy in particular requires radical change. I have been something of a naysayer re Starmer and his gang. I will not be voting Labour myself. But if they get in either as a majority government, or as a minority or coalition one, I will adopt an open mind and criticise where I think it is warranted and give credit where I think it is warranted, and give what I regard as an honest assessment of everything it does. I will give credit where any credit is due. I will not automatically attack everything. But my expectations are not high. I hope I am pleasantly surprised. If I am I will say so. But I predict that under current leadership, Labour will prove to be a severe disappointment. But like I said I hope I am wrong and will assess honestly - if they get in. Because nothing is certain until the votes have been counted.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 10, 2023 12:06:20 GMT
If Labour are elected I confidently predict that absolutely nothing of any importance will change.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 12:07:03 GMT
Let us have a closer look - shall we ? UXBRIDGE & SOUTH RUISLIP ( 2019 Result ) Boris Johnson (Con) .......... 25,351 Ali Milani (Lab) .......... 18,141 Joanne Humphreys (LibDem) ..... 3,026 Swing required for Labour to take this seat = 7.5% Target seat number 91 for Labour Current polling numbers (average poll of polls ) = Labour 15 points ahead of the Conservatives According to "Electoral Calculus" this seat based on current polling figures will be won by Labour We can all make predictions and polling at the moment suggests that you are probably right. But you say it with a certainty that is unwise, because nothing is ever certain until the votes are counted. But Labour's clear strategy of trying to be a more competent version of the Tory party might well go down well with former Tory voters, and large numbers of people who are so fed up with the Tories now will vote for whomever is most likely to defeat them. So my money is on Labour taking this seat but I am not foolish enough to regard it as a certainty until the results are announced. As for Labour more generally across the country it appears that it is starting to look like an electable option for the kind of Tory supporters who backed Blair for a time. Whilst everyone desperate for change for the better are increasingly pinning their hopes on them, so desperate are they to be rid of the Tories. It is starting to look like the mid 90s again but with one serious proviso. Any incoming Labour government is going to inherit a far worse economic situation than Blair did, so it could all start to unravel much more quickly. In particular, all those desperate for change - indebted students, private tenants, all those who cannot afford to buy and cannot get access to social housing, the precariat in their insecure employment, need radical change in these areas. If an incoming Labour government fails to deliver it and looks like another version of Tory-lite, support from the struggling millions will evaporate very quickly. Housing policy in particular requires radical change. I have been something of a naysayer re Starmer and his gang. I will not be voting Labour myself. But if they get in either as a majority government, or as a minority or coalition one, I will adopt an open mind and criticise where I think it is warranted and give credit where I think it is warranted, and give what I regard as an honest assessment of everything it does. I will give credit where any credit is due. I will not automatically attack everything. But my expectations are not high. I hope I am pleasantly surprised. If I am I will say so. But I predict that under current leadership, Labour will prove to be a severe disappointment. But like I said I hope I am wrong and will assess honestly - if they get in. Because nothing is certain until the votes have been counted. I enjoyed reading your post, its very pragmatic, balanced and is probably a good example of how many "floaters" are currently thinking. For those of us who fit comfortably into the "Social Democrat" category, as oppossed to "Socialist", we are the moderates of the Left, we accept there is no other system but Capitalism. But capitalism has to work for the people, it has to be regulated, and it must be controled in such a way as to protect people. This means for example that Employment Rights taken away by the Conservatives will almost certainly be restored if Labour wins the next election ( as happened during the Blair / Brown years ), it means that measures will be put into place to end the unfairness of Zero Hours Contracts. These are the kinds of things that the Conservatives have no interest in doing, because it does not fit in with their Free Market / Free For All agenda. One thing is certain, and that is that Kier Starmer IS NOT Tony Blair, and his agenda is not New Labour, but it is based on similar ideas, a Left of centre government which understands the role and importance of business, commerce, manufacturers and those that create wealth. I agree that its not a "dead cert" that this tired, old, washed out government will be ousted next year, though as we edge ever closer to the election, its looking promising. As for the Uxbridge By-election, I would place a bet on the Tories losing it.
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Post by borchester on Jun 10, 2023 13:08:42 GMT
Boris is concentrating on lower taxes and Brexit. Starmer does not want to do anything about the former and hopes that the latter will go away.
Personally, I think that Johnson will have a sod of a job making much headway, but it will be fun watching him Boris is under threat from Parliament making further charges against him. True, but that won't bother him.
Boris is so crocked that he could hide behind a spiral staircase, but that does not bother his supporters. As said, he supports Brexit, animal rights (nice one Carrie) and lower taxes. The dreary sods opposing him will have a job matching that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 21:12:47 GMT
If Labour are elected I confidently predict that absolutely nothing of any importance will change. I suspect you mau be right. Which is the whole problem. But time will tell.
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