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Post by sheepy on Jun 11, 2023 11:13:21 GMT
I can see we will have to call in the whip. How many lashes? You seem to be under the impression that the UK is a dictatorship under the control of the current Prime Minister. The UK isn't a dictatorship, and Cameron had no right to take Parliament's right to vote away from them. His promise is only his promise. He can't speak for Parliament, but the UK isn't a dictatorship. You appear to want it to be a dictatorship. Still making stuff up then, so you have failed on the English language and how Parliament works and what power he has over MP's. while also failing on how the law works, Parliament make the laws they are sovereign. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 11, 2023 11:13:26 GMT
All joking aside, Fairy, you don't appear to have any understanding of how the parliamentary system works. The Prime Minister has only one vote in Parliament. ONE VOTE. He cannot use that one vote to override everyone else's vote. He can't promise that the rest of Parliament will vote in a certain way. That would be to take the vote away from the rest of Parliament. When Johnson tried to do that. he was told in no uncertain terms by the Supreme Court that he could not. Cameron had no constitutional right to say: if the advisory referendum results in a leave outcome, Parliament will vote to accept the result of that advisory referendum. He can't take away Parliament's rights like that. That's basic stuff that I would imagine most teenagers understand. You are just a utter clown Darling, who keeps making a fool of himself, you can't even ask how old I am without fuckin the question up, I don't need or want to know your age, I've already assumed your shoe size exceeds your mental age. Fine by me. I think you're a Daily Mail chav who knows less about the UK constitution than the people arriving in the dinghies. You know, the ones you're always complaining about. They're far more likely to pass a citizenship exam than you, Fairy. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 11, 2023 11:14:08 GMT
You seem to be under the impression that the UK is a dictatorship under the control of the current Prime Minister. The UK isn't a dictatorship, and Cameron had no right to take Parliament's right to vote away from them. His promise is only his promise. He can't speak for Parliament, but the UK isn't a dictatorship. You appear to want it to be a dictatorship. Still making stuff up then, so you have failed on the English language and how Parliament works and what power he has over MP's. If you say so, Sheeps.  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 11, 2023 11:15:01 GMT
You seem to be under the impression that the UK is a dictatorship under the control of the current Prime Minister. The UK isn't a dictatorship, and Cameron had no right to take Parliament's right to vote away from them. His promise is only his promise. He can't speak for Parliament, but the UK isn't a dictatorship. You appear to want it to be a dictatorship. Still making stuff up then, so you have failed on the English language and how Parliament works and what power he has over MP's. He's got a deluded notion that we actually believe the crap he comes out with, he literally makes it up as he goes along, in the hopes we'll all fall for it. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 11, 2023 11:16:13 GMT
Still making stuff up then, so you have failed on the English language and how Parliament works and what power he has over MP's. He's got a deluded notion that we actually believe the crap he comes out with, he literally makes it up as he goes along, in the hopes we'll all fall for it. As a Daily Mail chav, surely you're happiest when people are making things up as they go along. The Daily Mail relies on that. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 11, 2023 11:50:26 GMT
Still making stuff up then, so you have failed on the English language and how Parliament works and what power he has over MP's. He's got a deluded notion that we actually believe the crap he comes out with, he literally makes it up as he goes along, in the hopes we'll all fall for it. Hang on, you are the person who has just stated that the PM saying something about the referendum changes its legal status, then you talk about others talking crap! :-D |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 11, 2023 11:55:13 GMT
He's got a deluded notion that we actually believe the crap he comes out with, he literally makes it up as he goes along, in the hopes we'll all fall for it. Hang on, you are the person who has just stated that the PM saying something about the referendum changes its legal status, then you talk about others talking crap! :-D Here goes, it's like talking to a baby.
Watch my lips closely.
Cameron said he would 'honor' the referendum results, whatever the outcome, he spoke on behalf of the government, or they would have stopped him from making that promise, a promise in those terms makes it 'legally binding' go and ask your local lawyers.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 11, 2023 11:56:23 GMT
Errm, no it doesn't. I don't think that you understand what "legally binding" is.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 11, 2023 11:58:37 GMT
I know what he said, I wasn't disputing that. I wanted to know if you thought that this changed the legal status. FS plainly thinks it does. For me that is a contract between the government and the people, I'll let you cogitate for as long as it takes in the hope that pernickety dies a death along with pedantry and legality over morality . I know what he said, but you didn't answer my question: did the legal status of the referendum change? It's just a yes / no question. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 11, 2023 12:02:22 GMT
Errm, no it doesn't. I don't think that you understand what "legally binding" is. When a Gentlemen give their word of honour, that is as legally binding as it can get. Those are the unwritten rules that you will never get. Like a handshake it is a bond in unwritten law. So don't give your word of honour or shake another's hand unless you mean it. It isn't written it is a way of life. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 11, 2023 12:03:12 GMT
So it's a word of honour rather than legally binding? Yes, I accept that.
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Post by Toreador on Jun 11, 2023 12:16:19 GMT
For me that is a contract between the government and the people, I'll let you cogitate for as long as it takes in the hope that pernickety dies a death along with pedantry and legality over morality . I know what he said, but you didn't answer my question: did the legal status of the referendum change? It's just a yes / no question. Jeez, as far as I'm concerned, and obviously others, the legal status of the referendum was as contained in the government booklet as previously described. If you want to ignore Cameron's verbal statement please do so but you then have to acknowledge that Wilson made that self-same promise in 1975 and adhered to it. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 11, 2023 12:16:53 GMT
So it's a word of honour rather than legally binding? Yes, I accept that. It's in writing ffs. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 11, 2023 12:35:47 GMT
David Cameron when he announced the outcome of the referendum would be honored, made it legally binding, as he spoke on behalf of the serving government, who would not have allowed him to commit to such a 'promise' if they weren't going to honor it. no, he did not. That isn't how it works The AV Referendum, in Brown’s mad arsed intent to rob Peter to pay paul, WAS binding. It was declared as so. Why, i don’t remember. But had it not been given the kicking it was given we would have been stuck with it The 2016 referendum was advisory. David Lammy was the first to say so and call for it to be ignored. Which says a lot about professional black labour politicians. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 11, 2023 12:36:06 GMT
So it's a word of honour rather than legally binding? Yes, I accept that. It's in writing ffs. Stop being bloody ridiculous. 1) Even if there was a contract, the constitution trumps a mere contract. 2) The only way that Cameron could have made a contract on behalf of Parliament is if he was Parliament's agent. Parliament principal wasn't his principal. 3) You seem to think that the UK is a dictatorship where the PM rules, not Parliament. It isn't. Cameron could no more make a contract on behalf of Parliament than I could make a contract that binds you. |
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