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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 11, 2023 10:50:47 GMT
What David Cameron said about honouring the outcome of the referendum did not change its legal status of it being advisory. Or are you trying to say it does? FS's assertion that the referendum was not advisory was plainly wrong. Well you would say that but I know and you know that had Remain won, Cameron would have remained in the EU and almost certainly remained as PM. I know a promise when it's made, especially by a Prime Minister and particularly when the government publication said: This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide. I know what he said, I wasn't disputing that. I wanted to know if you thought that this changed the legal status. FS plainly thinks it does. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 11, 2023 10:53:50 GMT
Have you even started school, Darling? serious question ........ LOL  All banter, joking, insults, etc., aside, did you finish school? Cameron said he would honor the outcome of the referendum, he personally made it legally binding.
A promise will only be capable of being contractually enforced if it is either made in a deed or made in exchange for something of value, known as 'consideration'.
legally binding UK?
A verbal promise can be made legally binding if it satisfies all of the elements of a contract. To work as a contract, whether verbal or written, two parties should have the following, Offer and acceptance.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 11, 2023 10:56:52 GMT
David Cameron when he announced the outcome of the referendum would be honored, made it legally binding, as he spoke on behalf of the serving government, who would not have allowed him to commit to such a 'promise' if they weren't going to honor it.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 11, 2023 10:58:12 GMT
All banter, joking, insults, etc., aside, did you finish school? Cameron said he would honor the outcome of the referendum, he personally made it legally binding.
A promise will only be capable of being contractually enforced if it is either made in a deed or made in exchange for something of value, known as 'consideration'.
legally binding UK?
A verbal promise can be made legally binding if it satisfies all of the elements of a contract. To work as a contract, whether verbal or written, two parties should have the following, Offer and acceptance.
This is why I asked how old you were when you left school, Fairy. All banter, insults, etc., aside, how old were you? You don't appear to have even basic comprehension skills. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 11, 2023 10:59:22 GMT
Well you would say that but I know and you know that had Remain won, Cameron would have remained in the EU and almost certainly remained as PM. I know a promise when it's made, especially by a Prime Minister and particularly when the government publication said: This is your decision. The government will implement what you decide. I know what he said, I wasn't disputing that. I wanted to know if you thought that this changed the legal status. FS plainly thinks it does. For me that is a contract between the government and the people, I'll let you cogitate for as long as it takes in the hope that pernickety dies a death along with pedantry and legality over morality . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 11, 2023 11:00:54 GMT
Cameron said he would honor the outcome of the referendum, he personally made it legally binding.
A promise will only be capable of being contractually enforced if it is either made in a deed or made in exchange for something of value, known as 'consideration'.
legally binding UK?
A verbal promise can be made legally binding if it satisfies all of the elements of a contract. To work as a contract, whether verbal or written, two parties should have the following, Offer and acceptance.
This is why I asked how old you were when you left school, Fairy. All banter, insults, etc., aside, how old were you? You don't appear to have even basic comprehension skills. Darling I hate to break this to you, but people just take the piss out of you, including me, if you think we think you have a shred of knowledge, you don't, you are the resident keyboard comedian, but you do make us laugh, I'll give you that. ... LOL |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 11, 2023 11:01:05 GMT
I know what he said, I wasn't disputing that. I wanted to know if you thought that this changed the legal status. FS plainly thinks it does. For me that is a contract between the government and the people, I'll let you cogitate for as long as it takes in the hope that pernickety dies a death along with pedantry and legality over morality . The courts take a different view. That's why none of you was able to enforce Cameron's 'verbal contract' in a court. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 11, 2023 11:01:56 GMT
This is why I asked how old you were when you left school, Fairy. All banter, insults, etc., aside, how old were you? You don't appear to have even basic comprehension skills. Darling I hate to break this to you, but people just take the piss out of you, including me, if you think we think you have a shred of knowledge, you don't, you are the resident keyboard comedian, but you do make us laugh, I'll give you that. ... LOL It's a serious question, Fairy. How old were you? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 11, 2023 11:02:39 GMT
Darling I hate to break this to you, but people just take the piss out of you, including me, if you think we think you have a shred of knowledge, you don't, you are the resident keyboard comedian, but you do make us laugh, I'll give you that. ... LOL It's a serious question, Fairy. How old were you? LOL... keyboard comedian.
I think you mean 'am I', but hey-ho
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Post by patman post on Jun 11, 2023 11:02:42 GMT
The only person you vote for is the representative of your constituency. We tend to look past that and consider ourselves voting for a party, but that’s just people not understanding our democratic system correctly. That's fair enough and absolutely true, BUT even local candidates push their leader and party in order to get votes. And the majority of voters seem to stick with one party for years.
Few seem to campaign on local issues. About three come to mind — Boris once campaigned to stop a runway and promised to lie down in front of the bulldozers if construction was started (truth or lie?), another candidate went independent over a local hospital, and I heard tell of a Man in the White Suit...
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 11, 2023 11:06:17 GMT
It's a serious question, Fairy. How old were you? LOL... keyboard comedian.
I think you mean 'am I', but hey-ho
All joking aside, Fairy, you don't appear to have any understanding of how the parliamentary system works. The Prime Minister has only one vote in Parliament. ONE VOTE. He cannot use that one vote to override everyone else's vote. He can't promise that the rest of Parliament will vote in a certain way. That would be to take the vote away from the rest of Parliament. When Johnson tried to do that. he was told in no uncertain terms by the Supreme Court that he could not. Cameron had no constitutional right to say: if the advisory referendum results in a leave outcome, Parliament will vote to accept the result of that advisory referendum. He can't take away Parliament's rights like that. That's basic stuff that I would imagine most teenagers understand. |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 11, 2023 11:08:06 GMT
LOL... keyboard comedian.
I think you mean 'am I', but hey-ho
All joking aside, Fairy, you don't appear to have any understanding of how the parliamentary system works. The Prime Minister has only one vote in Parliament. ONE VOTE. He cannot use that one vote to override everyone else's vote. He can't promise that the rest of Parliament will vote in a certain way. That would be to take the vote away from the rest of Parliament. When Johnson tried to do that. he was told in no uncertain terms by the Supreme Court that he could not. I can see we will have to call in the whip. How many lashes? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 11:10:13 GMT
Conundrum
We have a general election every 5 years to decide what kind of government we want to govern our country.
We have a referendum to decide only one question ... do we wish to be a member of the European Union.
Seven years later, the British electorate have changed their minds on how they voted in that referendum, and another referendum today would produce not only the opposite result, but by a bigger margin.
But unlike a genereal election, there s no more opportunity to return to the question, and so today we live in a nation where the majority of people would vote to rejoin the EU, but are told "Thats It", you voted ONCE, and thats the life long, eternal result, never to be revisited.
Therefore, when the 2024 general election comes along, how about we make the result of that election permanent, never to be revisited for at least a generation.
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We cannot keep on having a referendum on EU membership, that would be silly, because we cannot keep on joining and then leaving the EU.
To me, it proves the futileness and stupidity of running the country via a series of referendums, we elect governments to govern the country in what they feel are in our best interests.
All four main political parties were broadly in favour of EU membership, it was a Tory Prime Minister who took us there in the first place, because they felt it was in our interests.
The country voted Tory in 1970 with a policy of joining the EEC, and Labour gave us a referendum in 1975, which resulted in a REMAIN victory by a margin of 2:1
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 11, 2023 11:10:36 GMT
All joking aside, Fairy, you don't appear to have any understanding of how the parliamentary system works. The Prime Minister has only one vote in Parliament. ONE VOTE. He cannot use that one vote to override everyone else's vote. He can't promise that the rest of Parliament will vote in a certain way. That would be to take the vote away from the rest of Parliament. When Johnson tried to do that. he was told in no uncertain terms by the Supreme Court that he could not. I can see we will have to call in the whip. How many lashes? You seem to be under the impression that the UK is a dictatorship under the control of the current Prime Minister. The UK isn't a dictatorship, and Cameron had no right to take Parliament's right to vote away from them. His promise is only his promise. He can't speak for Parliament, but the UK isn't a dictatorship. You appear to want it to be a dictatorship. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 11, 2023 11:11:37 GMT
LOL... keyboard comedian.
I think you mean 'am I', but hey-ho
All joking aside, Fairy, you don't appear to have any understanding of how the parliamentary system works. The Prime Minister has only one vote in Parliament. ONE VOTE. He cannot use that one vote to override everyone else's vote. He can't promise that the rest of Parliament will vote in a certain way. That would be to take the vote away from the rest of Parliament. When Johnson tried to do that. he was told in no uncertain terms by the Supreme Court that he could not. Cameron had no constitutional right to say: if the advisory referendum results in a leave outcome, Parliament will vote to accept the result of that advisory referendum. He can't take away Parliament's rights like that. That's basic stuff that I would imagine most teenagers understand. You are just a utter clown Darling, who keeps making a fool of himself, you can't even ask how old I am without fuckin the question up, I don't need or want to know your age, I've already assumed your shoe size exceeds your mental age. |
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