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Post by patman post on Jun 10, 2023 8:56:05 GMT
Sadly the alternative is Thornbury, Lammy, Abbott, Raynor and Butler in authority. The lefties did tell us that they were going to play dirty, and they are picking off the Tories like flies, Raab, Johnson, Patel all have been shafted by both the Tories and the lefties, what a mess. I think that the only thing to do is vote for Reform. Hopefully, Abbott realises she’s past it and sees that Labour has, in any case, become virtually Blairite. The others you list haven’t upset too many people since 2010. It’s Tories like Raab, Johnson, Patel, Truss, plus plenty with other negatives that have led the party to its familiar territory of pulling itself apart after a long spell in power…. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jun 10, 2023 9:00:32 GMT
The first encouraging step in acknowledging the corrosive Tory assumption that they are exclusive and above the law, even ones they themselves make. One by one the Brexit bulllshitters are being exposed for what they always were...chancers who thought that leaving the EU meant they had exclusive control over the country and could rule unencumbered like the kings of old their nannies used to tell them about. I sincerely hope this helps the majority of people who used to have common sense and moderation, to stop thinking variety shows qualify fools to run a country. That the old steady honest politicians who SERVE instead of play games return. Because they have a lot of ground to mske up. The problem there being you mention serve,which whilst correct you assume is a return to a Brussels and that the majority who could be bothered to vote and did so decided against something which people like you have never been able to get over along with your innate but flawed belief that those very people . Yesterday i made it very clear that the UK doesnt have a prayer of returning to the EU. Sitting on this side of the Channel, that pleases me very much. NOW can we please stay on the subject of thw OP and not turn everything into yet another 6 year old argument about Brexit? |
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Post by om15 on Jun 10, 2023 9:00:35 GMT
Are you naive enough to think that Sue Grey was conducting an impartial inquiry whilst secretly in talks with Starmer about a job with him? or that Harriet Harman carried out an impartial inquiry whilst simultaneously tweeting anti Boris tweets. Starmer said the gloves were off and no kidding, the insidious lefties within Parliament and the Civil Service have seen off Truss, Raab, Johnson and Patel, they are certainly very good at dirty politics.
I don't especially mourn the passing of Boris, but I do think the method of removing an elected MP is pretty distasteful, but Labour have only completed what Ricky and Hunt started.
The only potential leader that I can see in the Conservative Party is David Frost, I can't see anyone at all in the Labour Party.
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Post by patman post on Jun 10, 2023 9:11:02 GMT
I’d prefer a government that didn’t bend the rules to keep its favourites in power. I’ve learned a lot since I supported Boris in his quest to become Mayor of London. Now, I’d prefer my representatives to be honest — even if the were directly opposed to me. so are you intending not to vote at the next election? I’m conflicted. Usually, it wouldn’t matter who I voted for. Diane Abbott would be returned with a vote around double most of the other candidates put together. So I could happily do my duty and vote, and know that by voting for a good local MP who was not of the party I would prefer to be in power I/would still be winners. Now I don’t think Abbott should stand. She’s well past her best, probably unwell and tired. A good time for Labour to find a new candidate. The LibDems should also field a strong candidate, as they could do reasonably well and I could hold my nose and vote for them. But whatever I decide, Tories are dead round here, their vote will probably be down even in Stamford Hill… |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 10, 2023 9:17:48 GMT
At least Johnson did something during Covid, unlike Starmer who just sat on the sidelines carping away, scoring political points out of a national health crisis, good old caring passionate Starmer, imagine making people's deaths a political football, he's nothing but a scumbag. Boris is 100% correct the kangaroo court got him in the end, but I've got this strange feeling it's all going to blow up for Labour, wait till the shit hits the fan, the next one who's in the firing line is that weirdo Harriet Harman, plenty of skeletons in her cupboard. Yes, he shook hands with the infected. Starmer was not in power and could therefore do nothing but he did support the Tories when it came to votes. The 'Kangaroo' court had a Tory majority. He got caught lying to parliament, it's that simple. Starmer has flip flopped on nearly everything he's said, the lefties would call the Tories liars for doing the same, Starmer hasn't said one thing so far that he's kept to his word, he's a LIAR, and his time is running out.
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Post by wapentake on Jun 10, 2023 10:06:09 GMT
The problem there being you mention serve,which whilst correct you assume is a return to a Brussels and that the majority who could be bothered to vote and did so decided against something which people like you have never been able to get over along with your innate but flawed belief that those very people . Yesterday i made it very clear that the UK doesnt have a prayer of returning to the EU. Sitting on this side of the Channel, that pleases me very much.
NOW can we please stay on the subject of thw OP and not turn everything into yet another 6 year old argument about Brexit?Here you are again dictating what can or cannot be said so I’ll remind you (again) of what you said in the Pfizer thread which also concerned the eu. Also and since you are dictating here this thread isn’t about brexit it’s a bit rich considering you posted this here and n this thread. And therefore sitting on the other side of the channel you might be better placed commenting on the problems Macron has in France. And Btw when you are attempting to reply and tell people what they can or cannot post it might be useful if you posted outside of the quoted post  |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 10, 2023 10:17:09 GMT
At least Johnson did something during Covid, unlike Starmer who just sat on the sidelines carping away, scoring political points out of a national health crisis, good old caring passionate Starmer, imagine making people's deaths a political football, he's nothing but a scumbag. Boris is 100% correct the kangaroo court got him in the end, but I've got this strange feeling it's all going to blow up for Labour, wait till the shit hits the fan, the next one who's in the firing line is that weirdo Harriet Harman, plenty of skeletons in her cupboard. If you want to see 'people's deaths' being used as 'a political football', go to the Westminster forum to see how the Daily Mail chavs are treating the death of children stabbed in France. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 10, 2023 10:22:37 GMT
At least Johnson did something during Covid, unlike Starmer who just sat on the sidelines carping away, scoring political points out of a national health crisis, good old caring passionate Starmer, imagine making people's deaths a political football, he's nothing but a scumbag. Boris is 100% correct the kangaroo court got him in the end, but I've got this strange feeling it's all going to blow up for Labour, wait till the shit hits the fan, the next one who's in the firing line is that weirdo Harriet Harman, plenty of skeletons in her cupboard. If you want to see 'people's deaths' being used as 'a political football', go to the Westminster forum to see how the Daily Mail chavs are treating the death of children stabbed in France. So that's Boris Johnson fault as well, if Macron wasn't playing games he wouldn't have so many disgruntled asylum seekers, he is encouraging them to France so they can pay for their dinghy to the UK, or is it the fault of the Tories that children got stabbed because the asylum seeker should have been in the UK to stab kids here instead. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 10, 2023 10:33:57 GMT
If you want to see 'people's deaths' being used as 'a political football', go to the Westminster forum to see how the Daily Mail chavs are treating the death of children stabbed in France. So that's Boris Johnson fault as well, if Macron wasn't playing games he wouldn't have so many disgruntled asylum seekers, he is encouraging them to France so they can pay for their dinghy to the UK, or is it the fault of the Tories that children got stabbed because the asylum seeker should have been in the UK to stab kids here instead. And there we have it. You accused the Left of playing 'political football' with the deaths of Covid victims. It's pointed out that your fellow Daily Mail chav did exactly that with the deaths of children in France, then you come back here and continue the game of 'political football'. You people don't get irony. You make arguments for leaving the EU, then deny that it's sensible for Scotland to leave the UK when they present exactly the same arguments; you say the ranks of the Left are filled with paedophiles, even though the most infamous paedophile of our age was a strong Tory supporter; you complain about eco warriors disrupting traffic, even though you created the worst traffic disruption ever seen in the UK. Maybe, you're just complex nuanced people. Maybe, you're just thick. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 10, 2023 11:35:55 GMT
I like Boris, I accept he didn't deliver however, the way he was deposed left a bad taste in the mouth. Sunak was never the popular choice he was always the committees choice, which shows how far to the centre the Tories have gone. Sunak is like Trump, they're not politicians they're millionaire businessman. I know we cant reinvent the wheel, but it would be nice if we had politicians running the country. What do you mean? The lies. The corruption. The carelessness. The honours list. The parties. The treachery. The defence of corrupt party members. The cronyism. The racism. The bribery. Good riddance. You're an arsehole RR. The whole of your list is bollocks, but let's keep it simple. Give me just one example of a lie that Boris told. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 10, 2023 12:30:37 GMT
So that's Boris Johnson fault as well, if Macron wasn't playing games he wouldn't have so many disgruntled asylum seekers, he is encouraging them to France so they can pay for their dinghy to the UK, or is it the fault of the Tories that children got stabbed because the asylum seeker should have been in the UK to stab kids here instead. And there we have it. You accused the Left of playing 'political football' with the deaths of Covid victims. It's pointed out that your fellow Daily Mail chav did exactly that with the deaths of children in France, then you come back here and continue the game of 'political football'. You people don't get irony. You make arguments for leaving the EU, then deny that it's sensible for Scotland to leave the UK when they present exactly the same arguments; you say the ranks of the Left are filled with paedophiles, even though the most infamous paedophile of our age was a strong Tory supporter; you complain about eco warriors disrupting traffic, even though you created the worst traffic disruption ever seen in the UK. Maybe, you're just complex nuanced people. Maybe, you're just thick. I don't even know the relevance of why you brought it up, what happened in France is down to the French government, it has nothing to do with UK politics or politicians, the EU have created this total asylum mess, and it's up to them to sort it out, it's now one of the big issues that remaining member states are completely fed up with.
It was one of the main reasons we voted to leave, so if they haven't got the message yet, they never will, ' FOM IS NOT WORKING'.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 10, 2023 12:43:10 GMT
And there we have it. You accused the Left of playing 'political football' with the deaths of Covid victims. It's pointed out that your fellow Daily Mail chav did exactly that with the deaths of children in France, then you come back here and continue the game of 'political football'. You people don't get irony. You make arguments for leaving the EU, then deny that it's sensible for Scotland to leave the UK when they present exactly the same arguments; you say the ranks of the Left are filled with paedophiles, even though the most infamous paedophile of our age was a strong Tory supporter; you complain about eco warriors disrupting traffic, even though you created the worst traffic disruption ever seen in the UK. Maybe, you're just complex nuanced people. Maybe, you're just thick. I don't even know the relevance of why you brought it up, what happened in France is down to the French government, it has nothing to do with UK politics or politicians, the EU have created this total asylum mess, and it's up to them to sort it out, it's now one of the big issues that remaining member states are completely fed up with.
It was one of the main reasons we voted to leave, so if they haven't got the message yet, they never will, ' FOM IS NOT WORKING'.
I brought it up to highlight your lack of self-awareness. You spoke of the Left making political capital from the misery of others. You didn't seem to mind when Jonksy did just that yesterday. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 10, 2023 15:43:59 GMT
I don't even know the relevance of why you brought it up, what happened in France is down to the French government, it has nothing to do with UK politics or politicians, the EU have created this total asylum mess, and it's up to them to sort it out, it's now one of the big issues that remaining member states are completely fed up with.
It was one of the main reasons we voted to leave, so if they haven't got the message yet, they never will, ' FOM IS NOT WORKING'.
I brought it up to highlight your lack of self-awareness. You spoke of the Left making political capital from the misery of others. You didn't seem to mind when Jonksy did just that yesterday. Jonksy is not making political capital, he's stating 'facts', the reason these asylum seekers are left to roam the streets is all down to the lefties, 'let them in'.. let them all in.. welcome them with open arms, open borders, open arms.
They were told this would happen, Starmer has been told, no let them all in, if you don't you are far-right racists, and then when it all literally 'blows' up like the Liverpool bomber, they try to blame it on the Tories, it's all left wing policies that are causing all this misery.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 10, 2023 15:50:06 GMT
I brought it up to highlight your lack of self-awareness. You spoke of the Left making political capital from the misery of others. You didn't seem to mind when Jonksy did just that yesterday. Jonksy is not making political capital, he's stating 'facts', Yeah, and I'm stating facts when I say you have no sense of irony. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 10, 2023 16:07:18 GMT
"‘He’s ruined the place’: relief in Uxbridge at Boris Johnson’s resignation"
Two of Boris's former constituents speak out.
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