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Post by zanygame on Jun 8, 2023 19:07:29 GMT
The NOAA have said an El Nino has officially arrived. With a high probability that it is supersized. I wont mention Climate change (its like a big red button on here) but yes they say its linked. Anyway. From the UK's point of view its the other side of the planet so we wont see deadly hurricanes of tidal waves (Or even the rising of the living dead  ) What we will see is a colder winter and a much hotter summer with likely drought conditions. For while the El Nino is a long way away the heat it throws into the atmosphere will hang around the planet for quite a while. It is expected to achieve the much vaunted 1.5 degree global warming we have all been warned about (Albeit temporarily, a few years) The main effect on us is likely to be another increase in food prices for they predict major losses in food production across the globe. Ooh lovely on top of everything else. Do any of the rest of you feel like this never ends? |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 13, 2023 12:00:06 GMT
The NOAA have said an El Nino has officially arrived. With a high probability that it is supersized. I wont mention Climate change (its like a big red button on here) but yes they say its linked. Anyway. From the UK's point of view its the other side of the planet so we wont see deadly hurricanes of tidal waves (Or even the rising of the living dead ) What we will see is a colder winter and a much hotter summer with likely drought conditions. For while the El Nino is a long way away the heat it throws into the atmosphere will hang around the planet for quite a while. It is expected to achieve the much vaunted 1.5 degree global warming we have all been warned about (Albeit temporarily, a few years) The main effect on us is likely to be another increase in food prices for they predict major losses in food production across the globe. Ooh lovely on top of everything else. Do any of the rest of you feel like this never ends? So you did mention climate change. The major losses of food production across the globe are largely man made in the sense that polices to 'combat climate change' also combat efficient food production. It never ends because people are continually taken in by the lies, the double talk and the outright gibberish that rules the newssphere. I can recall the days of sensible debate where points were raised and rebutted in an informed and polite way. No longer. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 13, 2023 16:49:37 GMT
The NOAA have said an El Nino has officially arrived. With a high probability that it is supersized. I wont mention Climate change (its like a big red button on here) but yes they say its linked. Anyway. From the UK's point of view its the other side of the planet so we wont see deadly hurricanes of tidal waves (Or even the rising of the living dead ) What we will see is a colder winter and a much hotter summer with likely drought conditions. For while the El Nino is a long way away the heat it throws into the atmosphere will hang around the planet for quite a while. It is expected to achieve the much vaunted 1.5 degree global warming we have all been warned about (Albeit temporarily, a few years) The main effect on us is likely to be another increase in food prices for they predict major losses in food production across the globe. Ooh lovely on top of everything else. Do any of the rest of you feel like this never ends? So you did mention climate change. The major losses of food production across the globe are largely man made in the sense that polices to 'combat climate change' also combat efficient food production. It never ends because people are continually taken in by the lies, the double talk and the outright gibberish that rules the newssphere. I can recall the days of sensible debate where points were raised and rebutted in an informed and polite way. No longer. The El Nino will cause a loss of crop production. That's what I'm discussing, other factors already exist with or without it. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 13, 2023 19:15:32 GMT
So you did mention climate change. The major losses of food production across the globe are largely man made in the sense that polices to 'combat climate change' also combat efficient food production. It never ends because people are continually taken in by the lies, the double talk and the outright gibberish that rules the newssphere. I can recall the days of sensible debate where points were raised and rebutted in an informed and polite way. No longer. The El Nino will cause a loss of crop production. That's what I'm discussing, other factors already exist with or without it. I do not dispute that, what I am saying is other factors make it worse than it otherwise would be. If you apply rules on farmers that lower their yield then whatever effect El Nino has will be an exacerbation, not a cause. The cause is the climate change policies most especially when it is known that El Nino will have an effect on crops. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 13, 2023 19:23:16 GMT
The El Nino will cause a loss of crop production. That's what I'm discussing, other factors already exist with or without it. I do not dispute that, what I am saying is other factors make it worse than it otherwise would be. I f you apply rules on farmers that lower their yield then whatever effect El Nino has will be an exacerbation, not a cause. The cause is the climate change policies most especially when it is known that El Nino will have an effect on crops. What specifically are you referring to? |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 13, 2023 19:31:27 GMT
I do not dispute that, what I am saying is other factors make it worse than it otherwise would be. I f you apply rules on farmers that lower their yield then whatever effect El Nino has will be an exacerbation, not a cause. The cause is the climate change policies most especially when it is known that El Nino will have an effect on crops. What specifically are you referring to? Fertiliser restrictions worldwide especially in Sri Lanka and the Netherlands. The Netherlands are lowering Dutch yields by the compulsory purchase of farms which is a tragedy for the current second largest world agricultural exporter. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 13, 2023 19:56:24 GMT
What specifically are you referring to? Fertiliser restrictions worldwide especially in Sri Lanka and the Netherlands. The Netherlands are lowering Dutch yields by the compulsory purchase of farms which is a tragedy for the current second largest world agricultural exporter. But this is nothing to do with climate change. Why does the Netherlands have a nitrogen problem? Emissions of nitrogen oxides and ammonia have been too high in the Netherlands for many years. This causes excessive deposition of nitrogen, which is harmful for both nature and public health. The Dutch government has unveiled a €25bn (£21bn) plan to radically reduce the number of livestock in the country as it struggles to contain an overload of animal manure. A deal to buy out farmers to try to reduce levels of nitrogen pollution in the country had been mooted for some time, and was finally confirmed after the agreement of a new coalition government in the Netherlands earlier this week. |
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Post by roots on Jun 13, 2023 20:38:51 GMT
Surely the solution, the best solution, you could say the concluding solution, would be to kill off most humans.
Leave about 800,000,000, or so alive, roughly 10%.
Poor people (there's loads of them in the world) is the natural starting point.
Make food, energy and shelter so expensive that they literally starve to death.
According to recent polls, most wealthy individuals welcome such because it makes them a nice person.
And here's the best bit, dehumanise Poor people who aren't in favour so as to encourage even the moderately wealthy to go along with it. Wink emoji.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 13, 2023 20:58:11 GMT
Fertiliser restrictions worldwide especially in Sri Lanka and the Netherlands. The Netherlands are lowering Dutch yields by the compulsory purchase of farms which is a tragedy for the current second largest world agricultural exporter. But this is nothing to do with climate change. Why does the Netherlands have a nitrogen problem? Emissions of nitrogen oxides and ammonia have been too high in the Netherlands for many years. This causes excessive deposition of nitrogen, which is harmful for both nature and public health. The Dutch government has unveiled a €25bn (£21bn) plan to radically reduce the number of livestock in the country as it struggles to contain an overload of animal manure. A deal to buy out farmers to try to reduce levels of nitrogen pollution in the country had been mooted for some time, and was finally confirmed after the agreement of a new coalition government in the Netherlands earlier this week. Sigh. That is the point that any problems with El Nino will exacerbate the wilful reduction of food production being imposed on the world. Why they are doing that is a whole different argument, they are doing it so it is a reduction in food production that will cause problesm in the world when coupled with teh expected problems of El Nino. The point is it is avoidable, but it is planned. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 13, 2023 21:10:26 GMT
But this is nothing to do with climate change. Why does the Netherlands have a nitrogen problem? Emissions of nitrogen oxides and ammonia have been too high in the Netherlands for many years. This causes excessive deposition of nitrogen, which is harmful for both nature and public health. The Dutch government has unveiled a €25bn (£21bn) plan to radically reduce the number of livestock in the country as it struggles to contain an overload of animal manure. A deal to buy out farmers to try to reduce levels of nitrogen pollution in the country had been mooted for some time, and was finally confirmed after the agreement of a new coalition government in the Netherlands earlier this week. Sigh. That is the point that any problems with El Nino will exacerbate the wilful reduction of food production being imposed on the world. Why they are doing that is a whole different argument, they are doing it so it is a reduction in food production that will cause problesm in the world when coupled with teh expected problems of El Nino. The point is it is avoidable, but it is planned. Don't be so simplistic, reducing cow manure in the Netherlands is not going to effect the amount of food in the world on any scale even close to the effects of a severe El Nino. And yes ofcourse its planned just as all farming is planned. The laws bought in to stop the removal of hedges in the fens of England were unpopular and reduced production, but they were also necessary to stop soil erosion for future generations. I just don't get your arguments at all. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 14, 2023 1:42:44 GMT
ZG, NOAA's 10 day plus predictions are as much as 50% accurate. So I guess when it comes to climate (You mentioned climate) they're the experts. NOAA forecasting accuracy is 95–96% correct up to 12 hours, 85–95% for three days, and 65–80% for 10 days. More than ten days and it's down to 50%. Is that good? Whatever.
Lets get down to what you're really banging on about. Climate change. ZG, a few years ago scientists predicted another ice age by the year 2000, and they were very serious. They predicted the hole in the ozone layer would kill all life on Earth, and they were very serious. They predicted the ice caps would be gone and New York City would be underwater by 2008, and they were very serious. They predicted acid rain would kill fish and forests on a global level, and they were very serious. I could go on, and on. The climate industries predictions of global disaster are legendary. In fact, I have a list of eco predictions that never happened. As late as 1978 'scientists' were still predicting another ice age within 30 years.
The climate industry have been predicting imminent disaster for as long as I can remember, and every imminent disaster is predicted to be worse than last predicted disaster, that never happened. But no one seems to remember they never happened, it's as if some people enjoy being browbeaten by constant predictions of imminent global disaster. Perhaps some people just need something to worry about?
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Post by zanygame on Jun 14, 2023 6:39:15 GMT
ZG, NOAA's 10 day plus predictions are as much as 50% accurate. So I guess when it comes to climate (You mentioned climate) they're the experts. NOAA forecasting accuracy is 95–96% correct up to 12 hours, 85–95% for three days, and 65–80% for 10 days. More than ten days and it's down to 50%. Is that good? Whatever. Lets get down to what you're really banging on about. Climate change. ZG, a few years ago scientists predicted another ice age by the year 2000, and they were very serious. They predicted the hole in the ozone layer would kill all life on Earth, and they were very serious. They predicted the ice caps would be gone and New York City would be underwater by 2008, and they were very serious. They predicted acid rain would kill fish and forests on a global level, and they were very serious. I could go on, and on. The climate industries predictions of global disaster are legendary. In fact, I have a list of eco predictions that never happened. As late as 1978 'scientists' were still predicting another ice age within 30 years. The climate industry have been predicting imminent disaster for as long as I can remember, and every imminent disaster is predicted to be worse than last predicted disaster, that never happened. But no one seems to remember they never happened, it's as if some people enjoy being browbeaten by constant predictions of imminent global disaster. Perhaps some people just need something to worry about? Actually I'm not in the slightest bit interested in another thread on climate change. RE-post this on the climate change thread if you wish. I was interested in discussing another thing that has happened to make life harder. Brexit, then Covid, Then the war and cost of living crises, with high fuel prices. The strikes in public and essential services (Rail etc) Now an El Nino that will push food prices even higher and affect UK weather with its own costs. I was at a business conference talking to people from various industries and they were all saying this is the hardest time to do business they have ever known, far worse than the 2008 crash. My industry (Leisure) has contracted by 22% (Had to laugh today when they announced a bounce back of 0.2%) But construction is terrible, farming a nightmare, retail worse than all the rest of us. We were all joking about the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse that mark the end of the world, we were wondering which one would arrive next We've had plague, war, hunger, so just death to go. So I wondered how many of you were aware how precarious the UK was now (Climate change is just another cost for business, and no I don't mean the 1% for net zero) I mean the roof on two of our buildings buckling in the intense heat and the air con not able to cope and needing upgrading. Change always costs! |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 14, 2023 13:46:33 GMT
....Do any of the rest of you feel like this never ends? Yep because climate change is natural and cyclical. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 14, 2023 14:25:08 GMT
Sigh. That is the point that any problems with El Nino will exacerbate the wilful reduction of food production being imposed on the world. Why they are doing that is a whole different argument, they are doing it so it is a reduction in food production that will cause problesm in the world when coupled with teh expected problems of El Nino. The point is it is avoidable, but it is planned. Don't be so simplistic, reducing cow manure in the Netherlands is not going to effect the amount of food in the world on any scale even close to the effects of a severe El Nino. And yes ofcourse its planned just as all farming is planned. The laws bought in to stop the removal of hedges in the fens of England were unpopular and reduced production, but they were also necessary to stop soil erosion for future generations. I just don't get your arguments at all. So a reduction of food exports by the second largest agricultural exporter is not going to affect the amount of food in the world? That is a strange outlook. And to clarify, I said that the policies that are in place to combat global warming will exacerbate the problems that an El Nino will bring. If a 'severe' El Nino is on the cards why restrict the amount of food produced in the world before it happens. This makes no sense whatsoever. The laws to stop hedge removal were brought in to combat the EU rules that encouraged hedge removal to increase yield. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 14, 2023 16:35:16 GMT
Don't be so simplistic, reducing cow manure in the Netherlands is not going to effect the amount of food in the world on any scale even close to the effects of a severe El Nino. And yes ofcourse its planned just as all farming is planned. The laws bought in to stop the removal of hedges in the fens of England were unpopular and reduced production, but they were also necessary to stop soil erosion for future generations. I just don't get your arguments at all. So a reduction of food exports by the second largest agricultural exporter is not going to affect the amount of food in the world? That is a strange outlook. And to clarify, I said that the policies that are in place to combat global warming will exacerbate the problems that an El Nino will bring. If a 'severe' El Nino is on the cards why restrict the amount of food produced in the world before it happens. This makes no sense whatsoever. The laws to stop hedge removal were brought in to combat the EU rules that encouraged hedge removal to increase yield. But they are not to tackle climate change unless you are referring to something else. My last comment on this thread about climate change. |
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