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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 20, 2023 9:39:02 GMT
Families face £1,000-a-year bill for Labour eco plans: Starmer shows signs of wobbling on 'naive' £28BILLION net zero strategy.Labour's 'bonkers' green energy plans will drive up mortgage rates and make Britain more reliant on foreign oil and gas, ministers warned last night. Treasury analysis suggests that the idea of investing £28billion a year in tackling climate change could increase interest rates by 0.75 per cent, piling misery on millions of homeowners. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12162745/Treasury-analysis-warns-Starmers-28BILLION-net-zero-strategy-drive-mortgage-costs.htmlHey posters, you think it's bad now? Vote Labour, lol. This is it, compared to the previous PMs, Rishi is probably the best one since Thatcher. All the others fucked up big time: Johnson, Truss, May, Cameron, IDS, Hague was pretty clueless too and Major screwed up over Europe. Not to mention Brown and Blair. Rishi has his faults, but Starmer is the kind that would really stick it to us. He's a lawyer. It's in their blood. Rishi does finance, which is a useful skill. You say Starmer is a lawyer BvL, but it's worse than that. He is a pro immigration pro EU left wing socialist lawyer. The worst kind. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 20, 2023 10:52:31 GMT
Hey Red - latest news on Chinese power stations. The CPC now say they are shutting huge numbers of coal ones down. I think these are the older ones. They started in about 1980 so those will be the dirty ones. Half the motive for doing it is to breathe clean air in the cities. Maybe, but they're still building two a month for the next 12 years, until 2030, and the Chinese don't build 1MW power stations like most of ours were, they build huge 5 and 6 MW power stations. And they are building coal power stations in at least six other countries. Just for info; last year global coal consumption went over 8 billion tonnes for the first time since 2013. Trust me BvL, the big coal consumers, China, India, Indonesia, Russia etc, aren't interested in net zero. I just heard the news in passing. I don't have the details, but obviously the reason is to accelerate clean green energy. Knowing how the CPC operate I would guess they are shutting them down due to a raising of emission standards. Those that don't meet the new standard will not be licenced to operate. I can't see then just doing it because they are coal, and as for the new ones, well they may meet the new standards, or else they will have to be built better. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 20, 2023 11:00:26 GMT
Maybe, but they're still building two a month for the next 12 years, until 2030, and the Chinese don't build 1MW power stations like most of ours were, they build huge 5 and 6 MW power stations. And they are building coal power stations in at least six other countries. Just for info; last year global coal consumption went over 8 billion tonnes for the first time since 2013. Trust me BvL, the big coal consumers, China, India, Indonesia, Russia etc, aren't interested in net zero. I just heard the news in passing. I don't have the details, but obviously the reason is to accelerate clean green energy. Knowing how the CPC operate I would guess they are shutting them down due to a raising of emission standards. Those that don't meet the new standard will not be licenced to operate. I can't see then just doing it because they are coal, and as for the new ones, well they may meet the new standards, or else they will have to be built better. BvL, the CPC is the Chinese government, who are of the opinion that net zero is fantastic, for the west. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 20, 2023 11:47:21 GMT
I just heard the news in passing. I don't have the details, but obviously the reason is to accelerate clean green energy. Knowing how the CPC operate I would guess they are shutting them down due to a raising of emission standards. Those that don't meet the new standard will not be licenced to operate. I can't see then just doing it because they are coal, and as for the new ones, well they may meet the new standards, or else they will have to be built better. BvL, the CPC is the Chinese government, who are of the opinion that net zero is fantastic, for the west. Remember how successive British governments have said we are investing shit loads of money into green technology so we can become a world leader in it and make a fortune. Remember as we have gone along with this how we are now one of the most expensive countries in the world to buy electricity? Remember how we slagged off China for not taking green energy seriously and that the sun shone out of our green holier than thou arses?
Now in 2023 these are the facts.
Out of all the wind energy we produce all those offshore farms are the property of other nations and we have banned onshore wind power.
Out of all the solar power we produce none of it comes from British solar panels, and most of it comes from Chinese solar panels who have the largest solar panel industry in the world.
Out of all the EVs we drive and have subsidised, none have been made by a British manufacturer and now China is seizing the market in EVs to become a world leader, and ditto in battery technology.
Remember how we were going to become a world leader in battery production, but none of the batteries used in cars are made in Britain.
Let me explain in simple terms why China does what it does. There is a new combined hydro/solar energy project just come online and it is huge. To pay back the cost of installing it will take 18 months. Think about that figure because it is very important. This is 18 months to pay back when selling electricity on their market at 7p/unit to the consumer.
Simple conclusion: Britain is too stupid to convert to green energy/China sees it makes /saves a fortune. Capitalism is driving it over there and socialism is driving it in the UK. This is why I don't vote for socialists.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2023 16:31:29 GMT
If leaving the EU was "self-harm", then the pursuit of "Net Zero" is suicidal.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 22, 2023 11:10:38 GMT
If leaving the EU was "self-harm", then the pursuit of "Net Zero" is suicidal. My prediction is China will both get to net zero before anyone and make more money out of it than anyone. The missing ingredient in the UK is intelligence. They will select those to run the projects who have the right PC credentials: young, woman, black, lesbian...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2023 11:43:20 GMT
BvL could you post us a list of your predictions which have been correct so far.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2023 6:22:22 GMT
If leaving the EU was "self-harm", then the pursuit of "Net Zero" is suicidal. It is suicidal to think we can keep going without pursuing net zero. Net zero does not mean we stop using fossil fuels, not in the short term anyway, rather we counter balance the effects of carbon emmersions with clean technology. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 26, 2023 8:35:51 GMT
Plant trees.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 2, 2023 20:51:19 GMT
Better to jettison unworkable plans now rather than during or after the election — the LibDems are a example of how that can play out. Labour is lucky the situation became obvious now… but twatford the cottage burner admirer is happily pushing his climate emergency bullshit and will continue to get away with it. He doesnt give a fuck about the economy he’s got his dick so far up corbyn’s magic money tree he's oblivious |
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Post by patman post on Jul 6, 2023 7:50:12 GMT
Better to jettison unworkable plans now rather than during or after the election — the LibDems are a example of how that can play out. Labour is lucky the situation became obvious now… but twatford the cottage burner admirer is happily pushing his climate emergency bullshit and will continue to get away with it. He doesnt give a fuck about the economy he’s got his dick so far up corbyn’s magic money tree he's oblivious Political leaders get away with a lot that their supporters agree with or the majority don’t mind. It’s up to (the more enlightened?) voters to vote these leaders out or frighten them into changing their minds. Until that happens, apathy or support rules — that’s democracy… |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 10:38:54 GMT
It’s up to (the more enlightened?) voters to vote these leaders out or frighten them into changing their minds. Until that happens, apathy or support rules — that’s democracy… Can't wait PP, can't wait. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 18, 2023 1:06:14 GMT
but twatford the cottage burner admirer is happily pushing his climate emergency bullshit and will continue to get away with it. He doesnt give a fuck about the economy he’s got his dick so far up corbyn’s magic money tree he's oblivious Political leaders get away with a lot that their supporters agree with or the majority don’t mind. It’s up to (the more enlightened?) voters to vote these leaders out or frighten them into changing their minds. Until that happens, apathy or support rules — that’s democracy… Pat, you wont like what's comming next. People laughed at UKIP but UKIP had the last laugh and that's because people will be pushed so far. I'm hearing more and more people say that they might give Richard Tice a chance next time (Reform) I remember people laughing when I voted UKIP, but the laughing didn't last long. Sunak and Starmer are the same, they are both pro EU centrists, manna from heaven for a new party. Reform aren't going to win the next election, but hopefully they will shake the current bunch of centrist pro EU apologists out of their slumber. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 18, 2023 10:29:08 GMT
At the moment it’s the Brexiteers who are the apologists because it’s achieved little of benefit to the UK. Food prices are up, immigration is up, taxes are up, inflation is soaring, strikes again seem a permanent part of the UK industrial scene, etc, etc, etc. With public opinion having turned against Brexit, a new YouGov survey finds that most Britons would now vote to Remain were the EU referendum being held again, and likewise would vote to rejoin the EU if such a vote were being called. yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/07/18/britons-would-vote-rejoin-euUkip failed to win parliamentary seats. I doubt any new party will do better. History shows new parties need support from an established party to get anywhere (eg, the first Labour government and the Liberals, who then handed the prize to the Tories). The Greens have been more consistently represented in Parliament than Ukip. How much more successful in the European Parliament were Ukip than the BNP? Few people regarded their MEP elections as any more importance than local authority elections — I doubt more than 10% of the electorate could have named or identified the party affiliation of their elected MEP. And I suspect the original vote to remain was swayed more by the prospect of cheap booze and fags than any real trade and/political issues. The subsequent disquiet over the EU was due to the UK struggling with its loss of empire and influence, and the failure of consecutive UK governments to capitalise on its unique opportunity to be the link between the East and West and the EEC/EU… |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 18, 2023 12:13:18 GMT
The subsequent disquiet over the EU was due to the UK struggling with its loss of empire and influence, and the failure of consecutive UK governments to capitalise on its unique opportunity to be the link between the East and West and the EEC/EU… So as no UK Government was able to make a success of EU Membership its time to try something different. ...or you can keep doing the same, failed, thing and hope its better next time.. |
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