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Post by bancroft on Jun 3, 2023 10:26:31 GMT
Computer games and technobabble have replaced bird song and play in the open fields. The village itself has 'growth' threatening it from many sides – a sea of houses plus the roads and street lamps that go with them is getting nearer, blighting the horizon, filling the area with traffic, the schools and the doctors' surgeries with people. Modern-day 'progress' is an illusion. It reduces the quality of life for practically everybody – except those who rule us. But the biggest change of all is the noise – the physical manifestation of the car economy and the free market. In an age when we have the technology to free people from work, or at least reduce their hours drastically, the exact opposite has happened. Each morning, five days a week, cars stream through the village into Cambridge. The tailback often stretches back three, four, five miles – a tribute to the trapped minds of planners, economists and politicians. The toll on wildlife of all this traffic is enormous, but who counts and who cares? I've seen dead cats, birds, foxes, badgers and at least one otter on the road. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7196313/The-slow-death-English-village-Author-ROBIN-PAGE-decline-Cambridgeshire-idyll.html |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 3, 2023 10:37:49 GMT
I've often thought that there is not much wrong with England that having a population twenty million smaller would not cure.
About the same as it was around 1950, say.
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Post by bancroft on Jun 3, 2023 10:42:05 GMT
I've often thought that there is not much wrong with England that having a population twenty million smaller would not cure.
About the same as it was around 1950, say.
Yes he does make the point about overpopulation I looked him up on Wiki quite an interesting life as he went into politics for a while and was arrested by Gloucester police for racism though he was exhonerated and won damages. Died earlier this year, one of those I missed until this article. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 3, 2023 13:03:08 GMT
I've often thought that there is not much wrong with England that having a population twenty million smaller would not cure.
About the same as it was around 1950, say.
....and in 1950 there were more nice people, hard working and generous. |
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Post by colbops on Jun 3, 2023 18:05:55 GMT
I've often thought that there is not much wrong with England that having a population twenty million smaller would not cure.
About the same as it was around 1950, say.
It could certainly take a lot of pressure of the country's infrastructure and reduce the necessary pace of construction of new homes. It'd have to be done carefully though. removing 20million worth of tax payers would have dire consequences. particularly if that includes a high number of those who aren't claiming any benefits and/or are net contributors. Probably a good idea to start with getting rid of old people. It would help reduce the state pension drain as well as lift a lot of burden off the NHS. Any assets could then be absorbed into the exchequer to deal with the national debt. It would probably even enable an attempt to fix the economic system and fix National Insurance and finally break free of the pyramid scheme the UK has been saddled with. Handled right population growth would no longer be a requirement, and dependency on working age immigrants to maintain the ratio of workers to non workers could be ended. Brilliant idea. What do you reckon, start with the oldest and work down based on date of birth until the magic 20 million number is hit? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 3, 2023 18:34:40 GMT
I'm reminded of the village I grew up in, I didn't think it was anything special at the time but looking back (Through rose tinted specs possibly) it was pretty idylic. It was a proper village surrounded by fields and woods. I'm thinking back to the 1960's (b1959) and although cars were seen few people had one, they certainly weren't common. Some people in the village still used horse & cart and some people had veg plots in their gardens. It was always quiet but I don't think we noticed, quiet was normal, the pace of life was best described as slow.
That village is still there, but it's a very different place today. All the fields and woods where we used to play have gone, bulldozed to make way for housing. The narrow streets & lanes that were designed for horse & cart have been widened to accommodate the huge increase in traffic and many people have concreted/block paved their front gardens to increase parking space for two or three cars which seems to be the norm these days. The 'village' is no longer a village, it's part of a huge urban sprawl that has enveloped a few villages and hamlets. But it's still called a village, probably because it keeps property prices up.
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Post by sandypine on Jun 3, 2023 18:40:57 GMT
I've often thought that there is not much wrong with England that having a population twenty million smaller would not cure.
About the same as it was around 1950, say.
It could certainly take a lot of pressure of the country's infrastructure and reduce the necessary pace of construction of new homes. It'd have to be done carefully though. removing 20million worth of tax payers would have dire consequences. particularly if that includes a high number of those who aren't claiming any benefits and/or are net contributors. Probably a good idea to start with getting rid of old people. It would help reduce the state pension drain as well as lift a lot of burden off the NHS. Any assets could then be absorbed into the exchequer to deal with the national debt. It would probably even enable an attempt to fix the economic system and fix National Insurance and finally break free of the pyramid scheme the UK has been saddled with. Handled right population growth would no longer be a requirement, and dependency on working age immigrants to maintain the ratio of workers to non workers could be ended. Brilliant idea. What do you reckon, start with the oldest and work down based on date of birth until the magic 20 million number is hit? You got that wrong, although 2 fifths of the NHS budget is spent on those over 65 you have to look at what groups represent the long term drain on the NHS. With 10% of the NHS budget spent on Diabetes and with Asian and black people on average 6 times more likely to develop type 2 diabetes at a much earlier age then the balance between being net contributors to the NHS ceases at a much earlier age for ethnic minorities. If only it was easy. I would think the BNP had it about right, allow a cash bonus for all those illegal migrants who come forward within a year and return home. After the year, deportation with immediate effect upon being found. That would take care of about 2 million as a kick off. Also review citizenships granted and if fraudulently obtained then deportation. That would be another 500,000. We are on our way. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 3, 2023 19:04:54 GMT
I'm reminded of the village I grew up in, I didn't think it was anything special at the time but looking back (Through rose tinted specs possibly) it was pretty idylic. It was a proper village surrounded by fields and woods. I'm thinking back to the 1960's (b1959) and although cars were seen few people had one, they certainly weren't common. Some people in the village still used horse & cart and some people had veg plots in their gardens. It was always quiet but I don't think we noticed, quiet was normal, the pace of life was best described as slow. That village is still there, but it's a very different place today. All the fields and woods where we used to play have gone, bulldozed to make way for housing. The narrow streets & lanes that were designed for horse & cart have been widened to accommodate the huge increase in traffic and many people have concreted/block paved their front gardens to increase parking space for two or three cars which seems to be the norm these days. The 'village' is no longer a village, it's part of a huge urban sprawl that has enveloped a few villages and hamlets. But it's still called a village, probably because it keeps property prices up. I'm starting to think they should have speed bumps on entry and exit and 20mph signs in those villages with hopefully a by-pass so most traffic can go elsewhere though not sure how practical that is. Also perhaps a requirement that anyone coming to live there has to have at least one skill they can use to support normal village life to rebuild the community spirit. |
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Post by Equivocal on Jun 3, 2023 19:16:31 GMT
You got that wrong, although 2 fifths of the NHS budget is spent on those over 65 you have to look at what groups represent the long term drain on the NHS. With 10% of the NHS budget spent on Diabetes and with Asian and black people on average 6 times more likely to develop type 2 diabetes at a much earlier age then the balance between being net contributors to the NHS ceases at a much earlier age for ethnic minorities. Perhaps so, but provided we set a sufficiently early age for the rite of Carrousel, the early onset difficulty disappears. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 3, 2023 19:58:59 GMT
"Brilliant idea.
What do you reckon, start with the oldest and work down based on date of birth until the magic 20 million number is hit?"
No I wouldn't have thought so. A much more equitable approach would be to start the cull with those whose ancestral homeland lies elsewhere.
After all, if they hadn't turned up our over-population problem wouldn't ever have existed. The population would now be around the same as it was in 1950.
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Post by colbops on Jun 3, 2023 20:11:34 GMT
"Brilliant idea. What do you reckon, start with the oldest and work down based on date of birth until the magic 20 million number is hit?" No I wouldn't have thought so. A much more equitable approach would be to start the cull with those whose ancestral homeland lies elsewhere. After all, if they hadn't turned up our over-population problem wouldn't ever have existed. The population would now be around the same as it was in 1950. If you did that the concern would be that it'd leave the population a bit top heavy age wise and their wouldn't be enough money flowing in to keep the state pension going, or keep the NHS's lights on. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 3, 2023 20:16:41 GMT
Sorry but's that's just one of those urban myths that the charlatans in the Immigration Industry like to put about.
Have you ever read David Coleman's classic paper "The Myth of Replacement Migration, or why everyone is going to have to live in Korea: a fable for our times from the United Nations"?
If not, it's highly recommended.
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Post by colbops on Jun 3, 2023 20:18:01 GMT
It could certainly take a lot of pressure of the country's infrastructure and reduce the necessary pace of construction of new homes. It'd have to be done carefully though. removing 20million worth of tax payers would have dire consequences. particularly if that includes a high number of those who aren't claiming any benefits and/or are net contributors. Probably a good idea to start with getting rid of old people. It would help reduce the state pension drain as well as lift a lot of burden off the NHS. Any assets could then be absorbed into the exchequer to deal with the national debt. It would probably even enable an attempt to fix the economic system and fix National Insurance and finally break free of the pyramid scheme the UK has been saddled with. Handled right population growth would no longer be a requirement, and dependency on working age immigrants to maintain the ratio of workers to non workers could be ended. Brilliant idea. What do you reckon, start with the oldest and work down based on date of birth until the magic 20 million number is hit? You got that wrong, although 2 fifths of the NHS budget is spent on those over 65 you have to look at what groups represent the long term drain on the NHS. With 10% of the NHS budget spent on Diabetes and with Asian and black people on average 6 times more likely to develop type 2 diabetes at a much earlier age then the balance between being net contributors to the NHS ceases at a much earlier age for ethnic minorities. If only it was easy. I would think the BNP had it about right, allow a cash bonus for all those illegal migrants who come forward within a year and return home. After the year, deportation with immediate effect upon being found. That would take care of about 2 million as a kick off. Also review citizenships granted and if fraudulently obtained then deportation. That would be another 500,000. We are on our way. Still a long way from the 20 million target though. There is still the financial implication to consider as part of the cull, and you've just made that even worse by adding potential bill of 2 billion if you are gonna incentivise it with a 10K golden handshake. |
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Post by colbops on Jun 3, 2023 20:24:39 GMT
Sorry but's that's just one of those urban myths that the charlatans in the Immigration Industry like to put about. Have you ever read David Coleman's classic paper "The Myth of Replacement Migration, or why everyone is going to have to live in Korea: a fable for our times from the United Nations"? If not, it's highly recommended. Are you sure though? Have you got any numbers that back it up. My understanding of how our economic system works is that those of working age support those of retirement age from current taxation, and the whole system relies on there being a higher number of younger contributors than older beneficiaries. If you take all the numbers out of the worker bracket i'd have thought you would create a big problem and it'd be compounded by the need to have an immediate and long term breeding incentive programme which is going to take 20 years to start producing taxpayers and put a lot of cost burden on the state for education infrastructure beforehand. |
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Post by sandypine on Jun 3, 2023 20:37:50 GMT
You got that wrong, although 2 fifths of the NHS budget is spent on those over 65 you have to look at what groups represent the long term drain on the NHS. With 10% of the NHS budget spent on Diabetes and with Asian and black people on average 6 times more likely to develop type 2 diabetes at a much earlier age then the balance between being net contributors to the NHS ceases at a much earlier age for ethnic minorities. Perhaps so, but provided we set a sufficiently early age for the rite of Carrousel, the early onset difficulty disappears. Then the population would be more in line with 1850 and there would be an awful lot of runners fit enough to follow Logan. |
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