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Post by bancroft on Jun 3, 2023 13:12:56 GMT
If we go back in we will get the Romanian and Polish criminals back and more Irish travellers, fine if you live in a gated community and have most things delivered. Come on! You don't have to be xenophobic about it.  Are you saying Britain is safe with its native criminals -- drug runners, groomers, mobile phone snatchers, knife wielding teenagers, ad infinitum? Or are you suggesting that crime is acceptable to you as long as it is perpetrated by locals? There are layers of crime some are coming to the fore now yet we don't want more layers back screwing the system let's see how Germany and France get on with them first. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 13:20:31 GMT
Brexit regret is growing and the campaign to rejoin the EU will come, but not quite yet ( The Scotsman 030623 )
The sense of regret over Brexit is growing. According to a new survey by BMG Research for the i newspaper, 14 per cent of people who voted to leave the European Union would vote to stay if they could turn back time.
The pollsters also found many people thought Brexit has had a negative rather than a positive effect on the economy, with a net score of minus 42 per cent, the NHS (minus 23 per cent) and the UK’s standing in the world (minus 27). Furthermore, nearly two-thirds believed leaving the EU has made the cost-of-living crisis worse.
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Post by patman post on Jun 3, 2023 13:25:41 GMT
Hopefully, you realise that what you're saying is an admission of damage. The only question you leave there is the level of damage. Simply put, what you're saying is that, indeed, there's damage -- it's just not cataclysmic. But what is curious is that even the most passionate Brexit supporters have stopped going back to 2016 and stopped using that not-so-clever, ho hum argument a long time ago. Not you, it seems. No it's not. It's an admission that your remoaning hasn't waned. But the difference in your arguments today is in stark contrast to what you had hoped would happen back in 2016. Take this thread for example: This looks like an industry specific issue regarding exports to both the US and EU. Yet, you blame this on Brexit. lol I doubt anyone with sense blames all the UK's hardships on Brexit — but the consensus appears to be that the UK is at least 4% worse off than it would have been had it remained in the EU.
But with Greater London, Northern Ireland and Scotland voting against Brexit, the threatened breakup of the UK seems stronger...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 13:26:24 GMT
Hopefully, you realise that what you're saying is an admission of damage. The only question you leave there is the level of damage. Simply put, what you're saying is that, indeed, there's damage -- it's just not cataclysmic. But what is curious is that even the most passionate Brexit supporters have stopped going back to 2016 and stopped using that not-so-clever, ho hum argument a long time ago. Not you, it seems. No it's not. It's an admission that your remoaning hasn't waned. But the difference in your arguments today is in stark contrast to what you had hoped would happen back in 2016. Take this thread for example: This looks like an industry specific issue regarding exports to both the US and EU. Yet, you blame this on Brexit. lol Actually, it is what you're admitting.  I'm sorry, but when you quantify or measure the severity of damage or negative effect (cataclysmic, catastrophic, disastrous, etc.); you automatically admit or acknowledge the existence of damage or negative effect. The only thing up for debate there is whether that damage or negative effect is cataclysmic, catastrophic, disastrous, manageable, mild, etc. etc. etc. What's not debatable is the fact that damage exists. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 13:32:57 GMT
Come on! You don't have to be xenophobic about it. Are you saying Britain is safe with its native criminals -- drug runners, groomers, mobile phone snatchers, knife wielding teenagers, ad infinitum? Or are you suggesting that crime is acceptable to you as long as it is perpetrated by locals? There are layers of crime some are coming to the fore now yet we don't want more layers back screwing the system let's see how Germany and France get on with them first. You're arguing the exception. Or, you're making an argument by exception. It's like: I say: "EU membership is beneficial." and you say, "No, it's not. There are Romanian and Polish criminals!" |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 3, 2023 14:02:45 GMT
Yes - and didnt he get slaughtered for making those numbers up.. One, he referenced the LSE and Larry Summers when quoting the numbers he quoted. So, he didn't make anything up. Two, he received a great applause from QT audience -- at least in the episode I watched. Maybe there's another program in which he was slaughtered, so to speak? Asking the LSE is like asking a mental person to diagnose his own illness. Clearly the UK has failed due to lack of economic/commercial brains. The LSE is the foremost economic advisor to the government and educates many of those who go on to rise to high positions in the Treasury, Bank of England etc. You are much better off by pooling the opinions of economists that are independent of the UK. This way you can cancel out individual biases. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 3, 2023 14:42:52 GMT
One, he referenced the LSE and Larry Summers when quoting the numbers he quoted. So, he didn't make anything up. Two, he received a great applause from QT audience -- at least in the episode I watched. Maybe there's another program in which he was slaughtered, so to speak? Asking the LSE is like asking a mental person to diagnose his own illness. Clearly the UK has failed due to lack of economic/commercial brains. The LSE is the foremost economic advisor to the government and educates many of those who go on to rise to high positions in the Treasury, Bank of England etc. You are much better off by pooling the opinions of economists that are independent of the UK. This way you can cancel out individual biases. The LSE is a left-wing school and always was. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 3, 2023 16:14:42 GMT
There are layers of crime some are coming to the fore now yet we don't want more layers back screwing the system let's see how Germany and France get on with them first. You're arguing the exception. Or, you're making an argument by exception. It's like: I say: "EU membership is beneficial." and you say, "No, it's not. There are Romanian and Polish criminals!" I don't just argue on crime, UK is already a mini-empire where England pays the most tax, they will pay even more to belong to the EU. Also the risk of being outvoted by a plethora of nations that have recent democracies is not encouraging especially when Brits of all shades are now politically waking up, not sure this would have happened if we stayed in as the press would have continued to blame the EU now Westminster have to up their game. Lets see if the EU now bring in the transaction tax that Cameron used the veto against or was it a measure to just punish London? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 3, 2023 17:24:04 GMT
Yes - and didnt he get slaughtered for making those numbers up.. One, he referenced the LSE and Larry Summers when quoting the numbers he quoted. So, he didn't make anything up. Two, he received a great applause from QT audience -- at least in the episode I watched. Maybe there's another program in which he was slaughtered, so to speak? I dont care where he got it the numbers were bollocks - although I'm not surprised you were gullible enough to believe them... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2023 18:19:11 GMT
One, he referenced the LSE and Larry Summers when quoting the numbers he quoted. So, he didn't make anything up. Two, he received a great applause from QT audience -- at least in the episode I watched. Maybe there's another program in which he was slaughtered, so to speak? I dont care where he got it the numbers were bollocks - although I'm not surprised you were gullible enough to believe them... No, you don't care whether your statements are true or not, do you? Tell us more about this program in which Patten was, apparently, slaughtered. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 7:57:30 GMT
Current Brexiteers have possibly evolved like sheep.
Sheep close their nostrils when dipped in a liquid formulation of insecticide and fungicide — die-hard Boris Brexit Lovers close their ears when subjected to expressions of support for the growing dissatisfaction with Brexit...
Brexit hasn't quite lived up to all the apocalyptic hype remainers had said and hoped it would. Now they're just left sitting around scratching for opinions and misinformation from the disgruntled elite. Brexit's not the cataclysmic event many had hoped for. Ho hum. They're still living in a fantasy:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 8:46:25 GMT
That was interesting. So Pedro Sánchez so much enjoyed the trouncing in the local and regional elections (not religion election as the Spectator report  ) that he want to get a thrashing sooner this year, rather than later. Europe are certainly moving a little towards the right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2023 10:54:18 GMT
You're arguing the exception. Or, you're making an argument by exception. It's like: I say: "EU membership is beneficial." and you say, "No, it's not. There are Romanian and Polish criminals!" I don't just argue on crime, UK is already a mini-empire where England pays the most tax, they will pay even more to belong to the EU. Also the risk of being outvoted by a plethora of nations that have recent democracies is not encouraging especially when Brits of all shades are now politically waking up, not sure this would have happened if we stayed in as the press would have continued to blame the EU now Westminster have to up their game. Lets see if the EU now bring in the transaction tax that Cameron used the veto against or was it a measure to just punish London? The BIB is Brexit at its most fundamental, isn't it? The EU's fine as long as the British vote carries more weight than the rest of the members. Rules and regulations are acceptable as long as they formulated and imposed by the United Kingdom. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 4, 2023 13:12:42 GMT
I don't just argue on crime, UK is already a mini-empire where England pays the most tax, they will pay even more to belong to the EU. Also the risk of being outvoted by a plethora of nations that have recent democracies is not encouraging especially when Brits of all shades are now politically waking up, not sure this would have happened if we stayed in as the press would have continued to blame the EU now Westminster have to up their game. Lets see if the EU now bring in the transaction tax that Cameron used the veto against or was it a measure to just punish London? The BIB is Brexit at its most fundamental, isn't it? The EU's fine as long as the British vote carries more weight than the rest of the members. Rules and regulations are acceptable as long as they formulated and imposed by the United Kingdom. Well within 2 years the electorate will have the chance to cast their vote on the instructions about culling cattle to meet green targets. It will be interesting to see how this changes the politics there. |
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Post by Vinny on Jun 4, 2023 14:30:22 GMT
Chris Patton is one of a small handful of Tories I respect, people like Ken Clarke and Michael Heseltine, who are the old fashioned, traditional One Nation Conservatives, with deeply held values. The more modern Conservatives are divisive and have fuelled a divided Britain, they are the populists who want to focus on Culture Wars as much as the real issues which affect peoples daily lives. People like Rees Mogg and Gove are the reverse side of Jeremy Corbyn - the same coin, opposite sides; Bitter, caustic politics without compromise or tolerance. True One Nation Tories believed in the EU because they are fully aware that it is, and always was in the best interests of the British people, we were better off. He lost his seat in 1992 became the unelected governor of Hong Kong, then an EU Commissioner. He doesn't have much democratic accumen. I do not respect him. |
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Are you saying Britain is safe with its native criminals -- drug runners, groomers, mobile phone snatchers, knife wielding teenagers, ad infinitum? Or are you suggesting that crime is acceptable to you as long as it is perpetrated by locals?
) that he want to get a thrashing sooner this year, rather than later.